Are tryptamines more colorful than phenethylamines?

[sterling77]

What are your thoughts on this? To swim, tryptamines such as shrooms and lsd are more color-oriented than phenethylamines such as 2c-i or 2c-e. Not to say phenethylamines can't be colorful, but it seems tryptamines are more consistent in this.

[chrisn]

Could this post be expanded to ask if there are certain characteristics swimmers find specific to tryps and not phens, or vice versa? Obviously each tryp and phen is a very unique substance, but I was wondering if people out there see them in two separate categories, or if their effects are too all over the map to be put in two separate categories.

[sterling77]

Yea I wouldn't some opinions on any specific differences between tryptamines and phens, especially in regards to visual-type stuff. Swim finds that both are very colorful, but tryptamines are more so.

[Nagognog2]

Yes. No. Maybe. Depends.

[sterling77]

Ok I understand Nag but maybe you could see certain trends with what people say about the visual qualities of each, and otherwise it is still an interesting topic to talk about.

[tayo]

Any specific versus battles you'd like to see a knockout in?

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well i can't compete, tayo forefeits... very creative.

[nanobrain]

tryptamine implosion vs phen expansion of common self - visuals are mostly an amusing distraction from more important aspects in both cases, i contend.

[sterling77]

Nice input. Although you could maintain that visuals can be a powerful means to that end- the important aspects I mean. This touches on the topic of "shallow" visuals sometimes described by 2c-i to "deep" visuals a la LSD.

[Beeker]

I got hit in the head with a baseball once and the experience was very colorful. XD

SWIM finds trypamines more interesting.

[Ximot]

I don't think the difference can be seen in terms of visuals alone. Take San Pedro, which contains the phenethylamine mescaline, and marvel at the colours... but on the whole I feel that tryptamines may provide wilder, more overwhelming experiences, ripping the self away from the world, making OEVs kinda redundant as there's hardly a difference between haveing the eyes open or closed.... smashing the ego... rather than phenethylamines, which kinda feel more worldly, get the self more in touch with the world, intensifying the physical world as they unfold their magic and hint at other realms. Seems to tryptamines dig much deeper into one's emotional pool, one's spirit, one's essence.

[Bajeda]

A poll would have paired nicely with this thread.

[Omelet]

SWIM's only tried a couple of each, but he says tryptamines for the win.

'course this all might change once he gets to ordering all that 2c-e

[Nagognog2]

Try wandering around the mountains of Arizona with a sack of Peyote. You'll still love tryptamines, but you'll never forget the power of mescaline.

[chrisn]

My baby dragon recently had the opportunity to try a phen, 2c-e to be specific, and found it to be quite different than the tryps he has experienced. Tryps seem to isolate him from the rest of the world, he loses meaning of the stuff around him, finds it difficult to think about the rest of society, and is just left with exploring himself. The phen, however, made him think about parts of society he has never been a part of, and all of the possible places his life could go. Despite being quite young, he thought about the joys of being a father and felt great love for the children he may have someday.

"tryp implosion versus phen expansion" seems a very good way to describe the difference

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Well thought-out comparison.

[rxbandit]

It depends on the specific chemical structure and the neurochemical metabolism rather then the broad class of drugs. Swim didn't find melatonin very colorful, or pseudophed for that matter...

DOM, DOC, and 2c-e are a colorful occurrence while 2c-i and 2c-c were less so.

likewise, 4-ho-mipt and 4-aco-dmt were very colorful but 5-meo-mipt, 5-meo-dipt, 4-ho-dipt were not...

colors should never be a deciding factor unless your shopping for paint.

[psilocybonaut]

I believe phenylethylamines are more recreational "party fuel", and I also think they are more colorful than indoles. You don;t gain much insight from them.

Indoles are obviously better teachers/insight-inducers than phenylethylamines, and the visuals, effects, and intensity BLOW most any phenylethylamine out of the water (IMO)