Opinions - To state that booze is OK but other drugs are bad is societal hypocrisy.

[malcolm kyle]

Humankind has a long and rich tradition of transcending reality. This is also one of the main reasons people use alcohol.

To state that booze is OK but other drugs are bad is societal hypocrisy. Drugs including alcohol are bad only if the user allows it's influence to dominate their life or distract them from their normal responsibilities.

So there will always be people who do drugs and not all of them possesses enough self-discipline; so there will always be addicts.

Prohibition did not work with alcohol, and of course for the same reasons it will never work for any other mind-altering substance. So why do we continue to provide trillions in nontaxable income for rampaging tattooed gang members, Colombia guerrillas and paramilitary thugs, Mexican cartels and Zetas, the Taliban in Afghanistan and al-Qaeda who can now be found just about everywhere?

[old hippie 56]

Because it feeds millions of dollars into a war/political machine that coexists with the drug cartels.

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concise and accurate

[malcolm kyle]

Originally Posted by old hippie 56

Because it feeds millions of dollars into a war/political machine that coexists with the drug cartels.

Why did you have to go and spoil it by stating the obvious?

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim despises alcohol and really won't touch it because of this.It is a shame that the only legal mind altering substance is the most toxic and dirty feeling.To swim alcohol has always been the drug of choice for abusive people,bullies,and idiots.Not saying all people that drink are this way but in swim's life this applied to most the alcoholics he has known.

As swim said in another post,nothing would make him happier than seeing the bars and pubs turned into opium dens.

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clear and thoughtfull

[malcolm kyle]

Thanks for posting Orchid and please tell swim for me that this thread is about whether or not we should continue to provide trillions in nontaxable income for rampaging tattooed gang members, Colombia guerrillas and paramilitary thugs etc. The merits of each individual substance is really of no importance; our safety is at stake, matters aren't suddenly going to improve. The drug war cannot be won and is in fact the very cause of most of the violence that we and our families are subjected to.

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good question

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Yes anyone with common sense can seethe drug war is just like prohibition during the twenties.The drug war is also failing for the same reasons prohibiton did.Ofcourse the only difference is the drug war is on much more of a large and international scale.People want to drink,people want to use drugs.They always have and always will.Take the things away from people that some don't merely want they need and there will be trouble.

Unfortunately alot of violent people and criminals understand this aswell and use the war on drugs to make them millionaires.If the countries that participate in the drug war want to stop the criminal gangs and cartels make drugs legal,this will hurt them.Keeping drugs illegal is what keeps those people rich.The drug war is a huge failure and the only casualties and victims are addicts who don't wish to hurt anyone but are forced to suffer and have no rights because of this pointless war.The most innocent of victims are the children of people serving time in prison for crimes that have no victims and should not even be considered crimes.

The fact that alcohol is legal but marijuana is not should be a slap in the face to any intelligent and free thinking individual.Swim has kn alcohol responsible for so many acts of violence,car accidents,deaths and a slew of many other problems.Swim has witnessed many of these problems caused by alcohol first hand and they are unpleasant just to watch.Most the illegal drugs even the so called hard drugs are better for you than alcohol.Alcohol infact should be considered a hard drug.Anything that can cause cirrohsis of the liver and other such conditions is a hard drug in swims eyes.

Swim has this girl living across the street from him,she was absolutely beautiful at one time but then became a hardcore alcoholic and her looks and everything about her went down.Swim remembers one day she had a seizure due to alcohol withdrawal and the ambulance had to come and get her.This girl had everything going for her,she was a dance instructor,was going to college,had been to europe with her dance group.But then alcohol came along and ruined all that.But the people in power tell you liesthat only things like cocaine or meth can do this.Swim has been addicted to opiates for awhile and while it hasn't always been great he is in far better condition than that girl across the street from him.This proves that the laws prohibiting drugs are not for our own health and safety.If the government actually did care about our health they would make cigarettes and alcohol illegal.

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please use a space after interpunction

[radiometer]

You're preaching to the choir, I don't think very many people here would disagree with you.

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honest and concise

[malcolm kyle]

Originally Posted by radiometer

You're preaching to the choir, I don't think very many people here would disagree with you.

There must be some fool out there!

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Yup swim is pretty sure some fool that believes in all the war on drug propaganda will be surfing the internet sometime today and come across this post and read it.Hopefully some of these people that have been brainwashed by dare and the like will look at this forum and read and maybe start to see the truth.Spreading the truth is one of df's most positive aspects.Unfortunately swim has learned that some people just won't see the truth no matter how often they are told and how it is explained to them.People whose abillity to think for themselves has been totally stripped away like those in charge want it to be.

[malcolm kyle]

This might take too long; can't somebody just pretend to be foolish?

[Orchid_Suspiria]

With all the foolish people swim sees online and in real life there is not much need for pretending lol!

[malcolm kyle]

OK buddy but I sure hope you're right. Hey maybe we can try and pull a few women while were waiting.

[Kodi]

Because politicians do not admit to making mistakes. When you compare alcohol to pot the reasons make no sense.

However, I just think that drug legalization is something that needs to happen in very small steps. Say for example that tomorrow, the government says "ok all previously scheduled drugs are non scheduled, have fun america" there would be hell. Americans on a large scale do not have enough self control at this moment in time to be allowed the PRIVILEDGE of legal drugs ( besides pot).

Do I think that drugs should be legal? Yes
Should it happen soon and overnight? No
Do I have faith in the rest of the population not ruining that for the rest of the responsible drug users out there? Not for a damned second.

Responsible drug use is defined by many different people as many different things, some may think responsibility would reflect not being dependant on a substance. Others feel that it merely means not doing anything to hurt others.

Thinking about this has kind of made me lose faith in humanity.

[malcolm kyle]

Originally Posted by Kodi

Thinking about this has kind of made me lose faith in humanity.

Never lose faith in yourself and others. We shall overcome because a lie can't live forever!

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valid point

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by malcolm kyle

Never lose faith in yourself and others. We shall overcome because a lie can't live forever!

It can, it might even kill swim, but either way, the price to pay is: unhappyness, guilt, hate, regret, tricks, ambushing, denying, denunciating, paranoia, PTSD, endless waste of money, time and time and time again, wasted human feelings, wasted: -ressources -joy -progress, in any imaginable way -relationships -cultures -sub-cultures -honesty -work -projects -mental health -ability -oneself, nature, society, freedom, us.

Hm, let me think about it, .. yep, it´s worth it, one dead child is one too much...

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Why not simply legallize them all at once?Most Americans don't have enough self control to drink alcohol responsibley but they can.And remember at one time all drugs pretty much were legallized and there was far less crime and violence,society was nicer on a whole in the days you could buy heroin at your local grocery store,imagine that!

[old hippie 56]

But, our population wasn't what is today. My parents grew up in those so-called good old days. Ask anybody over the age of seventy and see what they say about them years.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

The days swim is talking about is the Victorian era,swim doubts anyone that was around when all drugs were legal pretty much would be alive today.And with opiates cheap and available otc it certainly was the good old days.It's not like swim would really care what was going on in the world around him if he lived in those times.He would be too busy enjoying things

[Lacognac69]

ya the drug war is a joke all it does is create war and turn average citizens into criminals. I hope it will change someday , but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by Lacognac69

ya the drug war is a joke all it does is create war and turn average citizens into criminals. I hope it will change someday , but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

I agree that it won't be happening anytime soon. The move toward legalizing pot is a nice step, but they're getting it done for the wrong reasons. It's becoming legal because it has medical uses and is relatively harmless not because it is your fundamental right to put whatever the hell you want into your own body.

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Shows a complete understanding of the problem

[malcolm kyle]

Originally Posted by Broshious

I agree that it won't be happening anytime soon. The move toward legalizing pot is a nice step, but they're getting it done for the wrong reasons. It's becoming legal because it has medical uses and is relatively harmless not because it is your fundamental right to put whatever the hell you want into your own body.

Word!

Here's an interesting video

[kaczynski]

Thankfully we're passed the Reefer Madness days, but drug propaganda lives on through the media. What upsets me the most is the ignorance people have in regards to society's "drugs of choice," these drugs being of course caffeine and alcohol (or ethanol I guess you could say). Energy drinks are being progressively amped up. People want the energy drink that will give the the heaviest buzz. There's even a drink called "Cocaine" for fuck sake. People want to get as close as they can to a cocaine high, and the "thrill" of using a glamorized hard drug, without actually using it. SWIM has been mildly high on coke around people who are high on caffeine; these people were tweaking out SIGNIFICANTLY more than SWIM. Yet, when people found out that SWIM was a casual cocaine user, he was instantly looked down upon and villainized. And let's not even get started on alcohol. I don't understand how SO many people not only condone but actively and regularly participate in excessive use of alcohol, but then look down on people who smoke marijuana, as if it's somehow worse. I see these anti-marijuana adds on TV and roll my eyes, wondering how many nights the creators of these commercials have spent hunched over a toilet bowl, puking their guts out, head spinning, liver OBLITERATED...while SWIM was relaxing with some friends, smoking a bowl, talking coherently to one another about, well, whatever. I totally agree that our society is ignorant and ridiculously hypocritical.

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	GREAT POST MAN. -truth
	<3 Nicely said.

[AddyCrazy]

Amen. I'm sick of all this anti-marijuana stuff everyone needs to face the facts that marijuana is more or less harmless when used in a responsible manor. Even if you smoke once a day as SWIM does you can still be a productive part of society and maintain the same physical and mental health. One of the drugs I always hear being demonized is LSD and mushrooms. Everyone thinks because it makes you hallucinate that its literally the worst thing in the world and you will instantly go insane from using it. When in fact hallucinogens are probably the safest class of drugs. Meanwhile like you said alcohol damages your body pretty badly when used to the excess and same with cigarettes.

[truth]

Its all the older generations. Once they all die off, Dank will be back in the full swing of things. All these old politicians and voters just need to DIEE. This is just a temporary thing. If not We will not have to worry about it any longer as our world is corrupt as fuck anyways. As we enter the age of enlightment, we kill ourselves now, evolve into stronger and smarter humans and marijuana will be smoked forever.

^^true story

[kaczynski]

Originally Posted by truth

Its all the older generations. Once they all die off, Dank will be back in the full swing of things. All these old politicians and voters just need to DIEE. This is just a temporary thing. If not We will not have to worry about it any longer as our world is corrupt as fuck anyways. As we enter the age of enlightment, we kill ourselves now, evolve into stronger and smarter humans and marijuana will be smoked forever.

^^true story

I wish it were that easy. Alot of my peers share their parent's conservative attitudes towards marijuana. In class, every once in awhile some kid will make mention during a discussion of using alcohol, and every just sort of giggles. SWIM knows for a fact that if he were to casually allude to SWIM's experiences smoking marijuana, alot of people would get visibly uncomfortable.