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Old 09-07-2007, 10:55
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china white

Swim lives in S.E Asia and is about to get his filthy hands on some China White.............

For someone who won't be using needles swim would like to know the best way to use this drug when in a very pure form.

Swim heard you can get the rush through snorting it if it is very pure (which no doubt it will be).

Swim would be greatful to know recomended methods of use and also dosage for a 1st time user.
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Old 09-07-2007, 11:45
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Re: china white

Sure one can snort it, just start out really small, say 10mg, one doesn't want
to overdose (like Tim Buckley did). Although most people I know started using H through smoking.
I don't know if china white is well suited for that though.

Myself never had any experience whatsoever with opiates, so it's all hearsay.
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Old 09-07-2007, 12:19
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Re: china white

China white can be consumed the same ways as normal heroin, but beware though that if the fentanyl isn't properly mixed with the cut, and there are small chunks of pure fentanyl throughout the china white, and SWIY injests a few mg of pure fentanyl, SWIY will OD.
Fentanyl is around 80-100 times more potent by weight than morphine, so a mg of fentanyl is equal to 80-100mg of morphine.
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Old 09-07-2007, 16:21
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Re: china white

It's not Fentanyl, it's pure heroin, 90+% the real deal, the real china white.

A lab rat swim knows has smoked it in a bong and advises that only the tiniest amount is needed.

Swim was thinking about snorting it, but after a conversation he had with the rat he feels there is a real chance of getting it wrong dose wise.

As a result swim may try smoking a small bit. Swim would like to know if it is possible to OD through smoking this shit?

Swim isn't bothered about wastage, in this part of the world it's so ridiculously cheap that it really isn't an issue, hashish costs more than this stuff here...........

Anyway if Swiy has any info on pure white heroin straight out of the makeshift lab right next to the poppy fields of Myanmar/China/Laos etc please let swim know.

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Old 09-07-2007, 17:34
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Re: china white

The word China White in the seventies and eighties and maybe back in the sixties meant pure,good quality heroin from Southeast Asia usually.Now it has taken on a different meaning.People usually refer to heroin mixed with fentanyl as China White.
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Old 09-07-2007, 18:37
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Re: china white

This is based on nothing but a hunch, but SWIM reckons it would be difficult to OD by smoking. SWIY would be building up the amount in their system lungful by lungful, and the onset is very quick when smoking. So SWIY would start to feel like they'd had enough/too much and didn't want/need any more a good while before they actually got towards having a dangerous level in their system.

Maybe SWIM's wrong though.
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Old 09-07-2007, 19:16
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Re: china white

It is definitely possible to od on heroin by smoking it but not as likely.Smoking it is sort of a waste though.It might be useful to beginners but swim has never gotten much from it.It also takes longer to get addicted to heroin if swiy just smokes it.When swim started he insuffulated it.Not as good as injecting but much,much better than smoking.

For someone first trying heroin swim would reccomend snorting a small line.Enough to give them a taste of what it's about but not enough to totally knock them down.Not that swim advises people to try heroin,just saying if they make that decision.
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Old 10-07-2007, 12:02
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Re: china white

If swim does snort a small line of pure H say 10-20mg, how long should swim leave it before snorting another?

Also does anyone know how many mg of pure H it would take in a non opiate tolerant person for OD? What are the safe dosage level limits? 10-50mg?

Swim has the stuff now, although he probobally won't ingest any for a few days due to work and also because he wants to gather more information and feel safe before enjoyment can begin.

Swim has been looking everywhere on the net and there really is very little info on real China white (pure uncut H from Asia).

Swims guess is by the time it hits the streets in US or Europe it's already been cut several times, unless you are lucky (or unlucky) enough to know someone who actually imports the stuff.
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Old 12-07-2007, 21:09
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Re: china white

Just a few thoughts on the CW Scenario for SWIM. Firstly, pure H is 2.5-3X more potent than Morphine, the parent opiate H is a derivative of. So with regard to dose I saw a recommended starting dose of 10mg in one of the posts. That may be a bit large but if you have any tolerance at all, 10mg would be a good starting point. Secondly, whenever you're considering a given dose, the most important factor is how you intend to ingest the dose. Oral is out with H, big waste. Snorting is actually a safer starting point as you don't absorb opiates very well by the intra-nasal route (with the caveat that SOME are absorbed well by this route if they have good lipid solubility, e.g., fentanyl, hydromorphone). H is absorbed FAIRLY well intra-nasally and if you plan to go this route obtain a bottle of saline and moisten your nose liberally before and 5 minutes after to assist the dissolution process. Lastly, as this post is getting a little long, put off the smoking route until you've used a few snorts and have some idea of purity. Just because you're right next door to the lab doesn't guarantee high purity. Smoking is a very fast route of drug delivery, faster than IV. Yup, faster than IV. Consider the route. When you inject in a vein, that shot is going to go thru your liver before it gets to the heart, which sends it to the lungs, back to the heart, THEN out into the arterial side and to your brain. This is the basis of the 1st Pass Effect (which generally refers to the loss of potency of a drug when you take it orally, but it is also applicable to IV use, obviously to a lesser extent). When smoked, the drug is absorbed thru the lungs, goes to the heart, then directly out into the arterial system. To summarize: IV = veins, liver, heart, lung, heart, brain, Smoking = lung, heart, brain; you get the idea? So go lower and slower if you chose to start out smoking. The key is low and slow and SWIM should have a very noddy ride. Enjoy, don't abuse.
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Old 16-07-2007, 03:03
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Re: china white

SWIM issurprised to hear all this talk of smoking it being safer than snorting, because that's not SWIM's impression. Admittedly, he's no expert in heroin, but his impression was freebasing h was both more addictive and easier to OD on than insufflated it. Consider snorting coke vs. shooting coke vs. smoking crack. Snorting coke is addictive but not as addictive as smoking it which isnt as addictive as shooting it. SWIM has always thought of H in the same way, but he fully admits he could be incorrect.

What SWIM is sure of is even the purest heroin can be insufflated if one is careful. Just start very slow, as little as you can measure, and do little bumps. Wait 10 minutes and see how you feel and go from there. You can definately OD snorting heroin, but it's really not that hard to avoid if you're careful. In any case SWIM would rail it if he were you.

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Old 16-07-2007, 17:35
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Re: china white

TIGER1 agrees that Snorting (insuflating) is definitely safer than smoking. Contrary to popular belief, a lot of which is based on the stigma and sensationalism associated with needle use, smoking is in fact more dangerous than injecting when adjustments are made for equivalent doses. One has to take into account the two forms H can be consumed as. The salt form, which could be SO4, HCl, and a host of others, is more water soluble than the free base and is generally what SWIM would use if injecting. Free base could be dissolved if one used enough water and heat but it's not a practically good idea to attempt injecting the free base of H. With regard to the second form, the so-called free base, SWIM would likely have to convert any street H purchased into the free base for optimal success in smoking. The salt forms have much higher MP and pyrolize (decompose from heat) when smoked. SWIM can always smoke enough of the salt form to get high as 100% of the salt doesn't pyrolize;however, it is a real waste of good H. When the free base is smoked, much more of the H is delivered whole due to the lower melting point of any free base vs its salt. SO, to tie all this together, if SWIM has the stoichiometrical skills to consume a dose by injection of the salt that is equivalent to an amount smoked as the free base (adjusted for SOME pyrolization) SWIM would generally find that smoking delivers said dose much faster than an injection of the salt would. thereby imprinting on SWIM's pleasure center the memory that the puff worked a little better than the shot, rendering SWIM more likely to repeat the puff over the shot. Feedback?
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Old 16-07-2007, 21:46
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Re: china white

Aye. But one can only get so much in the lungs in one go.

If SWIM buys 0.2 of a gramme of smack and snorts it or injects it, it's all into his system in one go. There may then be issues about rates of uptake and/or bioavailability compared to smoking it, but when smoking 0.2 of a gramme he will need to take at least a couple of dozen lung-fulls to do so. If it was stronger gear than he was used to taking, then at any point in this process he might think "whoa I'm starting to feel a bit sick here" and stop. SWIM has been smoking kit for years (only occasionally using other methods) and although it's admittedly often of fairly poor quality, he just can't envisage how he could ever get enough of it into him in that fashion to get into any sort of trouble. He would stop smoking it when he felt high enough, or a bit dodgy, which would be a large number of lung-fulls off being in any sort of trouble.

Because it hits you so quickly smoking it off tin foil, SWIM would reckon that it would need to be so strong as to get you too high after three or four lung-fulls for you to get into any sort of serious trouble this way.
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Re: china white

Swim has now experimented with the white powder 3 times. First time he smoked a bit on foil. He took an amount about equal to a sprinkle on half a finger nail. After smoking the first bit he felt the effects straight away, he waited 15 min then did the same again, a further 20 mins later he did one more the same size then went to lie down and watch tv. Swim felt extremely good at this point and did not think he could smoke anymore. Walking was difficult, and having a conversation with the mrs was trickey, he had to pretend he had been smoking weed. Effects lasted around 2 hrs although full effects took slightly longer to dissapear.

Next day swim decided to snort a bit and did a similar size line to the size he would smoke, it was very small, probobally about 1/8 - 1/10 the size of a normal average size line of coke. After snorting the china swim snorted some water and effects came on after several minutes. The effects came on slower than smoking but lasted much longer, perhaps 4-5 hrs. Swim had 3 small bumps during the course of one day.

The last time swim tried it he mixed it with coke. 8:1 and then snorted. Swim enjoyed this very much and found that it made the coke buzz last a lot longer, he also found he didn't want to keep snorting lines every 15 mins, but found 1 per hour was fine, and only one every 3-4 lines would be mixed with the china. Swim did a total of 3 lines mixed over a 12 hr period.

Swim is certain that this is extremely pure H, one gram would probobally give swim 60-80 hits. Swim hasn't even done half of 1/4 of the amount he was given, the last time swim used it was last Thursday night (6 days ago).

Swim has no work tomorrow and may well use the opportunity for some further enjoyment.

Swim would like to know how many days of continuous use could lead to mild withdrawl symptoms. Could this happen after 3-4 days or would it take longer?
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Old 18-07-2007, 13:54
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Re: china white

Continuos (daily) use is advised against, yet 3 or 4 days are probably not
enough to get one hooked.
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Re: china white

Be aware that moderation is essential, and if Swiy finds that he doesn't want to wait as long before he uses again, he should try to convince himself otherwise. A week is a good period of rest between sessions, and also helps to keep the amount required for a good effect at a low.
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Re: china white

If this has mentioned been already I"m sorry. I didn't read everything. BUT bee careful in the states not all white is CW. Chances are it's fentanall and home made at that. It.s killing users daily. Bad spelling I know
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Re: china white

hello, this is my first post, and i want you to tell me if i do something worng. swim lives in bucharest, which is the capital city of romania, and has a constant supply of china white, or white heroin as they call it. it is a common habbit there to shoot it, it's easyer than the brown one, because it boils without water. swim has some doubts, that it is mixed with smashed pills (aspirins or something) , because he sometimes gets headaches, but he shot about six times during a few months and he was never sick between shots, just a little throwing up after the hit, and the pleasure and tranquilness he so desires.
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Re: china white

SWIM bought a giant 2 gram rock of "white heroin" in vietnam. Snort a little line, and it was amazing. Just snort a little amount, wait 10 min, see what happens.

Small hits, when u have a lot, is sometimes better, so you can redose 2-4 times a day. It's so addictive; and it's a slippery slope. Broke the addiction myself... shit was hard.
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Re: china white

China White is not fentanyl, no matter what you read on the internet. China White is known to be cut with fentanyl these days to increase potency, but SWIM has only encountered this once, and was informed of it before purchasing. This shit made swim feel very weird, he was fucked up, but every time he started to nod, he would feel like he was dying, so he would jump up and walk around. he may have just been paranoid, knowing it had fentanyl in it, but it was a totally different buzz than regular china white.

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