BZP experiences

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Dosage: 12 mg in one glass juice
Route: Orally
Duration: 2 hours

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Please post BZP experiences here. Please do not postcombinations with other piperazines here.

[Mint boi]

swims first bzp experiance was not exactly enjoyable, his dose was in the 200mg region, possibly slightly higher.
swim took the pill in the early afternoon, on a fullish stomach. after about 60min swim started to notice effects, the first most noticable effect was alot of jaw action; chewing and grinding ect, this lasted during the whole plateau of the experiance and only subsided as swim began to come down.

after 70min swim could feel the effects come on propperly, swim got quite a heavy body buzz and an uncomfortable nervous head high. swims high lasted for about 7 hrs overall, 1 hr coming on, 3.5 hrs plateau, 2.5 hrs coming down. it wasnt all bad, swim got alot of energy and confidence, but the buzz was too heavy for swim and he got some flashes of paranoia, for example he was conviced a mcdonalds employee knew that he was on drugs! swim had no horrible after effects as some people describe from bzp, just alot of drowsiness, but he did drink massives amounts of water that entire day so tat could have helped!

swim will probably try bzp again, but a lower dose maybe.

[cennerteal]

swim prefers to always mix with tfmpp, bzp alone seems a little edgy to swim, the tfmpp lets the mind wander and is far more enjoyable

[+[ godstar ]+]

Does SWIY ever get blurred vision from just BZP alone?
Its a bit ridiculous really, kills the whole buzz.

[cyferman]

Originally Posted by +[ godstar ]+

Does SWIY ever get blurred vision from just BZP alone?
Its a bit ridiculous really, kills the whole buzz.

swim gets this also but quite intensely, he cannot read anything other than road signs unless he covers one eye to focus (trying to focus both eyes causes them to go cross-eyed). Swim thinks this may be due to muscle relaxation or the inability to contol the muscles with accuracy, although this isnt really based on anything solid. he is the only one in his peer group that this happens to and would like some reassurance or guidance.
swim has recently tried base amphetamine and this also happened in a greater intensity, so this may not be due to BZP specifically.
Any info on why this happens/other people who experience this would be appreciated :¬)

[pankreeas]

Maybe the stated side effects of BZP use are there for a reason. Blurred vision usually tops the list as well... I know someone who gets this with Ritalin but not with Adderral, and these are essentially the same class of drug.

[Pino]

Originally Posted by pankreeas

Maybe the stated side effects of BZP use are there for a reason. Blurred vision usually tops the list as well... I know someone who gets this with Ritalin but not with Adderral, and these are essentially the same class of drug.

Could this be connected with the dilatation of the eyes? BZP is quite extreme in dilating the eyes.

[pankreeas]

It's hard to say if they are linked but I wouldn't imagine they are. Based on the fact that swim gets almost the same blurred vision on small doses of dxm and no dilation is present.

[cennerteal]

When Swim has taken 200mg without TFMMP, he said he does have difficulty reading small print, not perhaps ideal to use in a work situation when close up smallprint might be needed to read, but very good as a wake-up tonic The working day also passes very quickly, I'm told, and Swim noticed the day was brighter and somehow seemed more interesting. But possibly not to be recommended in the workplace. Best suited to leisure hours, said Swim.

[Pino]

SWIM ingested 150 mg bzp. He wants to test the added productivity BZP gives. He will update this post each hour.

13:00 Down the hatch.
14:10 Full Blown effects, end of pause. Back to work.
15:00 It is going quite ok, little jaw clenching, but some gum solved the matter. SWIM is somewhat more mellow and happier. He makes comments in his code like:
# Build query
# I am getting more and more in love with Rose package. It is really easy to make an query.
Which he probably should neglect. He got some new ideas flowing. He enjoys the choice of music. Just listening electroclash radio. He would like some coca tea now.
16:00 Starting to get down, boosting with another 100 mg. SWIM did some dishes, when swim had taken a short pause, because swim had to eat something. Coca tea was a good idea. Productivity is fine.
17:21 SWIM has the feeling he can work for hours. For swim it is better than coffee. The coca tea gives an nice euphoric edge to the bzp. SWIM thinks it is lighter than speed, it has a smaller body load. The booster is working again. Work goes great.
18:36 A friend came to visit SWIM. It annoys swim a bit, he would like to work further. However the appointment was made a couple of days ago, so he is not going to nag. 19:13 End of report. Still feeling the effects.

SWIM found bzp a excellent drugs for productive work. No jitters. A negative was, that sometimes SWIM lost track what he was precisely doing. For example, when he needed to visualize a complex structure. However when concentrating it was no problem. SWIM sometimes got distracted by the music.

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Good post, enjoyable.

[cennerteal]

Pino, my cat was interested to read SWIM's experience of this in the workplace. My cat Swimmy regularly goes to work and found the BZP working day to be very light and void of any everyday irritations. The coca tea also appeals to Swimmy.

[Euphoric]

In retrospect, was SWIPino actually more productive than when sober or on caffeine? Seems like the code additions were not necessarily productive. Did it allow for more abstract thinking or just easier concentration? Would SWIY conclude this would be good to use to up productivity or study? What kind of work is it suited for? SWIM has only used it recreationally, so he is curious. Also, how was the comedown and subsequent sleeping?

[Pino]

Originally Posted by Euphoric

In retrospect, was SWIPino actually more productive than when sober or on caffeine? Seems like the code additions were not necessarily productive. Did it allow for more abstract thinking or just easier concentration? Would SWIY conclude this would be good to use to up productivity or study? What kind of work is it suited for? SWIM has only used it recreationally, so he is curious. Also, how was the comedown and subsequent sleeping?

SWIM was more productive than on caffeine, however SWIM's concentration was enhanced and he was more creative on the abstract plane of his thoughts. He thought up some changes in the design. However translating things from abstract to concrete was somewhat difficult, because it seemed so boring. I also focussed more on making things nice and clean, so the changes were not necessary productive in the absolute sense of the word. .

The comedown was quite unpleasant. Nausea, sleepiness and some sort of depression. However less than speed. After some coca tea it mellowed out.

The drug is less strong than speed, however it is a good drug to work on. It is between caffeine and speed. It does have some mood enhancing quality. It is more like caffeine, when taken too much (not experienced today).

A better dosing scheme swim used is subsequent doses of 50 mg.

Some note afterwards: SWIM had some problems getting asleep around 0:00. HR was 100 to 120 bpm, which is a bit high for swim. Normal is 70 BPM. SWIM couldn't sleep for another hour. SWIM wasn't tired the next day, even energetic, and luckily his eyes weren't dilated. At the end of the experience his eyes were extremely dilated, so he was a little bit anxious that it would stay. In the evening -this day, that is the next day of the report- he felt very tired.

Dilation of eyes is a bitch. SWIM had a horrible experience with cocaine on that matter. SWIM uses lenses and one of his lenses were irritating, however swim was also using some coke. When swim put his lens out and in again, the eye of the switched lens became dilated. Happy happy joy joy. Try to account that to the lighting of the place you are.

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Great posts in this thread, thanks for sharing all the info.

[Pino]

Some retrospective information. Swim used it some time now.

For work, swim likes to kick off with 100 mg and then boost it with 70 mg after three/four hours. Swim is able to work 15 hours at a row with this configuration. Eating is ok -no or little anorexia-, however sleep is somewhat impaired. Swim sleeps 4 hours a night then. Heart rate keeps well between limits(80-100bpm). Tolerance will build quickly. Swim did this for three days in a row and then swim got some very real and scary daydreams. That was clearly too much. For sometimes it is ok.

When swim goes out, he would like to take something like 150mg-200mg and boost it with 100 mg a time. This is less suitable for working. It gives a rushing sensation and makes one easily distracted. Sociability is good. The drug lower the inhibitions somewhat. One or two beers seems to be permissable, but don't add to the effect. The pupils will be very dillated, which is less so by the dosage scheme for working.

The drug works long. It can take longer than 8 hours to be finally down. In combination with a small amount of GBL(1-1.5ml) sleep is easilly attained. Some strange side effect of this combination is that the pupils will get extremely dillated. Sleep quality will be relatively poor.

The comedown can be difficult. Swim feels somewhat irritated, tired and apathic. The temptation to take more is quitte big, but not so big as with speed of cocaine. After two hours the worst part of the come down passed and only the tired part stays.
Swim doesn't experience many nasty side effects. The only thing he experienced was a dry mouth in a higher dosage, which can be dealt with a piece of gum.

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Thanks for sharing the experience.

[Lehendakari]

SWIM had the first experience with BZP tonight. He ingested 75 mg of pure BZP powder. He wanted to start with a low dose.

#1

SWIM went out after smokin a few joints and drinking some wine and beer. He got to the pub and took tree more drinks. SWIM wanted to try BZP in the middle of an alcohol buzz, but he realyzed his tolerance to alcohol is very high cause he couldn't get a buzz after all those drinks. He ingested the BZP pill sick of booze boredom.

#2

t+30 First warning. He feels a bit of energy going through his body which felt pretty intense. He never felt this hit of energy before (his experience with stimulants include coke, methylphenidate, amphetamine and MDMA) which was awesome.

t+60 After that wave of energy things were good but mellowing out, mild stimulation noticed and lots of desire to talk and socialize.

t+75... Woah!! Deep overwhelming euphoria, empathy, disinhibition..... He feels like drinking more.....

t+85... He finishes another drink! RECORD TIME!! He's never drunk so fast. Right now he feels the alcohol buzz and it's pretty good with BZP. No side effects noticed except for mild jaw tension.

t+95... He doesn't know if it's the last drink but SWIM no longer felt the euphoria of minuts ago. As quick as it came it went. He is sad cause he knows it's over. SWIM now is pissed, he thought BZP was longer lasting. He didn't carry more powder. He feels like coming down.

#3

t+100... This sucks! He doesn't feel depressed but he knows he can't enjoy the night anymore. He excuses himself and goes home. He has a high pulse rate and jaw very tense. Feels very much like evry upper's comedown.

#4

Good effect but doesn't last long. It was a low dose so it seems promising but not different from ritalin or amphetamine. SWIM is going to try sleep now.

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Good report.

[vcdman]

BZP is horrible when combined with alcohol...

[pankreeas]

Swim never combines piperazines anymore due to the unpredictability of any random variable that can completely kill a potential good experience. On any given day he may ingest 300 mg to start with a 200 mg boost 4 hours later. He has little to no tolerance to it as he opens the cookie jar only once every few weeks to reach for his BZP. Actually pretty much the only predictable piperazine worth repeating.. from the get go 100 never did anything.. 200 was meh... 300mg was juuust right. During any given experience he makes sure to keep hydrated and if you must consume alcohol while under BZP's spell swim tells me alcohol extremely undermines the positive effects of the BZP and typically ruins a good night. BZP isn't supposed to get you crunked like on coke or meth... it's a very subtle drug that should not try to be pushed further with alcohol.

Anyways since this is an experience post and not a hand holding...

That "any given day" I spoke of earlier for swim just happened. He went to see Shoot'em'up in the theatres tonight and the BZP really added a beautiful glow to the night. He told me these details:

8:00pm - 300mg bzp consumed in cola.

8:45pm - Just got to the theatre and proceeded to smoke some marijuana with a good friend.

9:20 - Movie just started and the synergy with pot as always is just perfect.

11:05 - Movie ends, still feelin the bzp to a minor extent.

11:45 - Home and weighing another 200 mg again in cola

12:30 - Just great

[Lehendakari]

^^BZP isn't supposed to get you crunked like on coke or meth...... it's a very subtle drug that should not try to be pushed further with alcohol.


SWIM has no experience with meth and he's only had a few trials with coke but wouldn't say BZP is subtle, he is somehow sensitive to stimulants but BZP is definitely strong for SWIM.

SWIM likes alcohol as a social lubricant, but lately booze makes him a bit tyred and very off and that's why he likes to do stimulants when drunk.

Anyway SWIM didn't manage to sleep so he watched Japan GP. He took 2mg lorazepam but didn't help too much. He fell sleep before the race was over but sleep was poor.

[pankreeas]

Alrighty. Swim filled me in a little more on his movie night escapades. It appears he took a total of roughly 650mg in the span of 6 hours. He had been smoking marijuana almost constantly the entire time. So let's continue shall we....

1:30 AM - final redose is taken. 150mg with 75mg taken at 1:30 and the final drugs of the night were taken at 2:00 AM.

3:00 AM - Going to forums, chats, anything really is just...enjoyable... to say the least

5:00 AM - Still feeling the BZP but swim is tired and sleeps till 11:00 AM feeling very refreshed (no headache, stomach issues, etc...no different than following any other ingestion of BZP..)

11:25 AM - Finally crawls out of bed and looks in the mirror at his pupils which are still completely dilated. Strange he never remembered dilation for 10+ hours before. Anyways other than that all is good.

2:00 PM - Feels the need to dose again so 250mg is taken with no booster to follow. Stomach very empty so bzp felt within 5 minutes.. and last night is reborn...


5:00 PM everything is simmering down... good day

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Thanks for sharing the experience.

[theta]

SWIM has used a lot of BZP lately, and a sudden lack of it is in fact what brought him to these forums. BZP is a nice buzz at a minimum of 300mgs, nothing like ecstasy, but much better than coke. It's not so much a party drug but a general purpose feel-good drug. It's subtle, it doesn't feel like it's screwing up your body, so continuous use (months at a time) happens without really being considered a binge. There is no empathy, instead he becomes more like a social parasite, feeding off attention, but much more mildly than I've described. The true craving is for music, it makes you feel good sober, but with a little buzz it becomes your sole motivation.

Have you seen the video for ava adore by the smashing pumpkins? Watch the way they move, that is exactly the twisted wired body feeling. SWIM even moves like that, writhing on the floor as the stuff creeps up his spine, playing another pumpkins song, singing the lyrics "sheees the one for me, she's all i really need....". And he honestly means it.

Snorting it is a kind of masochistic pleasure (intense pain), but makes your skin all tingly which doesn't happen orally or IV. IV is scary, but exhillerating.

After a while SWIM doesn't use less than a gram at a time, and life begins to revolve around his several doses each day.

The subjective experience is carefree and his mind keeps on getting stuck (if you've done naptha you'll know what I mean). Sometimes, just sometimes things move in your peripheral vision. The buzz lasts for ages, but the good feeling wears off after an couple hours. the nice music is replaced by dark aggressive hip hop and grime. the dopamine system is fucked, he wants nothing other than another dose, he isn't in hell, but in a kind of limbo. Restless and bored all he does is lie on the floor (despite the buzz which has now become meaningless) staring at the ceiling for hours waiting for death to release him. This is the bleak limbo of urinary retention. There may be a little paranoia. His eyes feel like they are empty, as if people no longer see any life in them. They KNOW he is high. He thinks he just heard footsteps but he's not quite sure. False (and contradictory) memories occur at the plateau of this binge, making conversations confusing.

It's hard to describe how such a tame buzz is so apealing. I guess it isn't much different than coke except for being more buzzy than floaty, but SWIM says that the best part of a gram snorted all at once is honestly "so what" compared to a low dose of this legal high.

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Great, thanks for sharing. Could SWIY add then how they feel about addictiveness and tolerance. Cheers

[pankreeas]

Originally Posted by theta

The subjective experience is carefree and his mind keeps on getting stuck

Swim finds bzp's effects to be of the same nature. It seems that the substance evokes a sense of well being that can only be described as "content". The lack of crash or comedown is what swim would say is this drug's main feature. Swim has a high tolerance to marijuana but when he indulges in pot on bzp it is a much more introspective experience. Much more so than smoking weed on coke which is the complete opposite.

[Antidote]

SWIM's first and only experience with BZP took place a few months ago. It was in the form of a brand name labelled "EFX" and came in a package of five tablets. One tablet was consumed.

To SWIM, the high was not really comparable to ecstasy or cocaine, as some have suggested. Not in a good way anyway. At t+2:00, effects could be describes as all the negative effects of ecstacy without the good ones. Jaw clenching, uneasy stomach, shaky... Perhaps the only enjoyable effect was mild visual abberation.

All in all, SWIM's experience on BZP was not altogether pleasant, and he probably won't try it again.

[Lehendakari]

Antidote: You sure SWIY's pills only contained BZP? From what you describe it seems is was the tipical piperazine mix containing TMFFP as well as BZP.

[Pino]

EFX contains BZP and TFMPP. I couldn't find in which quantities. TFMPP is more prone to give people bad experiences than BZP alone. However for some people all drugs in the piperazine family give bad experiences. I heard even Viagra can cause nagging headaches in some people.

The should contain somewhere between 100 mg to 120 mg BZP and 30 mg to 60 mg TFMPP according to various websites found on google. No reliable information could be found.

[HorseBucket]

Heres a strange one

Weight: 180lbs
Dosage: 400mg
Administration: Oral (chewed the pills)
Setting: On the bus to my friends house
Duration of main effects: 4 hours
Main effects: Psychedelic, not heavy but a little bit above the recreational boundary making it intense and harsh at times
Side effects: Mild headache
After effects: Insomnia and trouble lying in one spot
Rating: 7 out of 10 in terms of trip inducing potential
Potential for abuse: 2 out of 10 (same rating I'd give shrooms)

I popped it on the bus and felt nothing for a good hour. It hit me suddenly and I knew I was in for a psychedelic experience but kept it to myself for at least half an hour when the trip starting getting intense. My pupils were so big you all you could so was black and white no color. I couldn't pay attention to anything anyone said if I looked at them directly because they looked so bizarre and distorted even more so than a normal mushroom trip. People were morphing into cartoon characters and I kept pointing out a coat hanging on the door that looked just like one of those Easter Island stone heads but nobody else could see the reseblance. My friends were laughing and asked me why I was acting so weird and I told them I was tripping heavily then they told me that BZP isn't a psychedelic its just a stimulant and is supposed to feel like amps or MDMA.

I figured I just have a weird interaction with this drug and it effects me as a psychedelic instead of a stimulant. I figured this couldn't possibly be a placebo effect because I was having real vivid hallucinations and all my perceptions were warped just like a mushroom trip. After 4 hours the trip dissipated almost instantly and I was 80% back to normal. Mushroom trips usually wear off slowly but this wore off suddenly. It left me with a headache and I was too restless to sleep that night I just kept rolling around in my bed all night.

Strange experience I must say. Could it have been an extreme case of the placebo effect? I knew nothing about BZP before I took it and I actually thought it was some kind of psychedelic.

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