TFMPP experiences

[Rush]

ok, swim finally tried tfmpp alone:

35mg, swim can confirm that there are a lot of physical effects that can be defined toxic, so swim noticed:

hot skin, alternate to a cold feeling with tremors(like fever, going on like waves)
no hunger(but thirsty)
pleasure in touching things
pleasure in drinking
dilatated pupils
pleasure in music
clear thinking(this surprised me) but cant focus long on things
high stimulation
unstoppable laughing for every little reason
antidepressive feeling(socializing very easy, happy feeling)
little headache on came down, but not very strong at all if compared to 5-meo-amt comedown
no or very little hangover or down, next day no depression or antisocial feeling.maybe because i took antioxidants, vitamins berfore the experience and 5htp after.

35mg felt somewhat strong in toxic effects. maybe lower doses could provide more psychological stimulation rather than physical effects.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Short but decent info, thanks.
	experience report = yay

[nozty]

smiw ingested a full and compressed capsule of tfmpp and well basically swim was completely normal except for the fact that swim felt rapid temperature changes in the body. it did not affect swims apetite, but the eyes where heavily dialated like mdma. everything felt normal with a pinch of increased vigilance. no halucinations whatsoever. what does it really do and is there a better legal alternative to tfmpp with increases entheogenic effects?

[stjbm06]

Good info here...

It's Very Rare to find ANY experience reports with TFMPP by itself. A+ for effort and interest here!

IMHO, with so many RC's out there and people who've experimented with them, with many of them being much more "experimental" and scientifically proven to be more toxic, I find it hard to believe that many people would not post their detailed experiences with this lone substance!!

COME ON... Which SWIYs tried TFMPP by itself?!? Post the experiences, good or bad, with dosages! Also, I'm sure body type/size, demographics (age, sex) and lifestyle info (sedentary or athletic; frequency of use of other psychelics), and prescriptions or other supplements (vitamins, herbs, et al) affect these trip reports as well....

So if SWIY has tried this substance, please describe the people involved according to the above requirements!

Does anyone think that motion-sickness pills might counteract the nausea or headaches?

Also, might Nootropics like Piracetam/Aniracetam/etc eliminate toxic feeling effects? (I.e., They have been clinically studied in tens of thousands of humans to prevent cellular and neural damage, and even REGENERATE neurons and brain tissue)...

peace

J

[Rush]

Yeah, you're right, tfmpp alone reports are very rare.
i found only one(an email on erowid)

I can tell you that piracetam and vitamins did not help with side effects.
anti-sickness pills(for nausea) , anti-headache, benzos(to sleep) did'nt help too.just a little.

if i had to describe tfmpp i would call an "Emotion Amplifier".
every feeling you have is amplified, becoming more sensible to things.
thus, the feeling of fear becomes to anxiety.it is a unique drug in that sense.

Another interesting thing about tfmpp is its effect only on serotonin system(feelings,emotions, headache, nausea etc) thus it could be interesting if a researcher wanted to explore the serotonin functions in human body.

i would not call it a stimulant. just is fun to do everything, and you are stimulated in that way.

probably the most empathogenic substance around.
anxiety effect is like badtrips in hallucinogens. if you don't have fears or worries around your mind then is a wonderful trip. if you are sad, than you have a chance to get a bad trip(in this case anxiety, not bad visuals)


I can compare it to 5-meo-amt(without dopamine pleasure and noradrenaline energy):
nausea and headache at high dose(serotonin overload)
empathy,love and happiness(wanted effects)

swim didn't had a big serotonin depletion: the ipothesis about tfmpp non-neurotoxic is probably true.after effects lasts 2 or 3 days after depending on dose, and include a general anxiety feeling.I think its for some 5HT receptors regulation(the mechanism that gives also tolerance and crosstolerance)

Dose: erowid lists 25-100 mg dose.
swim is sensitive to most stimulants, needing a lower dose of everything.
here is my dose chart:
5-15mg threshold
15-30mg normal
30-50mg high
50-100+mg very high

i'm happy if i helped you!

Reputation Comments on this post:

very nice report- thanks :)

[stjbm06]

How does the dosage range above compare to other's experience?

Has anyone combined TFMPP with other compounds OTHER than Piperazines????

[Rush]

yes SWIM tried a combination TFMPP(30mg)+MDPV(5mg)
no special things happened, just duration of total experience was longer, and side effects enchanced:
hyperthermia was extreme
abdominal-back pain

some MDPV stimulation was noticed, but the side effects ruined any sort of pleasure.

[baron samedi]

This experience happened to SWIM a couple of weeks ago. It turned out very differently to how SWIM had anticipated, given he has a lot of experience with TFMPP in combination with BZP.
The TFMPP was in pure, powdered form, method was intranasel and dosage was approx. 333 mg. SWIM must hold his hands up and admit that he had not researched this drug properly, hence the high dosage, and assumed he could handle it, because he usually takes above the recommended dosage of piperazine pills/capsules. He was much mistaken!
The effect came on almost as soon as he snorted his dose. SWIM felt an intense burning from snorting the powder, far worse than speed or coke, comparable to snorting pure BZP powder. The snorting was followed almost instantly with SWIM's nose becoming blocked and eyes watering. He had another line to snort but was already feeling too wasted to manage it. Thank God he didn't!
By the time he had a fag a few minutes later there was a lot of confusion. However much he tried to clear his nose it wouldnt work, and this lasted a good 2 or 3 hours. It was like snorting this stuff had given SWIM an instant cold. He thinks it really did because 2 weeks later he still has a sniffle similar to the tailend of a cold.
He tried smoking a bowl of cannabis, to help, but by this time he was tripping badly. Given that BZP/TFMPP never seemed trippy to SWIM, this surprised him. Seems that TFMPP on its own is far more psychedelic than BZP. SWIM realizes now it is added to BZP to give it a more E-like flavour.
SWIM tried watching TV for a time but he knew by this time he had overdone it. His hearing and vision were both seriously playing up. SWIM takes SNRI's so began to worry about serotonin syndrome, thinking he was gunna die. With hindsight, this is probably what happened to SWIM, because he has never felt so close to deaths door on any drug. He lay in his bed for 3 hours, praying that it would end, struggling to breathe shallowly, nasel passages completely blocked.
Gradually he came back to baseline, thanking his lucky stars he was still in the land of the living. He has certainly learnt a valuable lesson about RC's and drugs in general.
All in all, he doubts he will try this particular chemical on its own again, as there seems no real point, unless you're into more psychedelic drugs, and it was probably his scariest drug experience yet.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	interesting report, sounds like quite the ride!
	Awful experience, but good report. Cheers.
	good detail but SWIM ate about 500mg and felt nothing till SWIM ate a pill

[Rush]

333mg is a lot! what's SWIY body wheight?

for SWIM 50mg were a lot!
i hope people around the forum will see TFMPP(not in combination) in another way, as a lot here said its effects are mild alone.

so you found it different from BZP combination?

[Thirdedge]

My God, just reading the above post has made Swim feel ill.

The highest dose of TFMPP Swim has seen in a manufactured product designed for oral consumption is 100mg which is excessive anyway IMHO.

Snorting this corrosive crap is strongly advised against, which depending on the source may be very unsterile and also contain manufacturing byproducts.

SwiBaron Samedi, there are some liquid nasal sprays on the market (Nasaline etc) which may help reduce inflamation inside Swiys nose, but if symptoms continue it would be advisable to have a doctor take a look up there.

[radiometer]

To me, the scary part is that SWIY couldn't be bothered to take a simple look through Erowid or such to find out what an appropriate dose might be, or even to see what effects you might expect from the drug. Simply and utterly irresponsible. I hope SWIY has health insurance to go along with that strategy, or even better, that SWIY has taken this experience as a wake up call.

[Nagognog2]

That about settles this. Reminds me of the story of the woman who walks into a person's house, picks up a bottle off a table she assumes is water, takes a big swallow, and ends up dead because she just swallowed a lethal overdose of GHB.

CLOSED.

[cennerteal]

Originally Posted by Rush

333mg is a lot! what's SWIY body wheight?

for SWIM 50mg were a lot!
i hope people around the forum will see TFMPP(not in combination) in another way, as a lot here said its effects are mild alone.

so you found it different from BZP combination?

333mg and snorting it! That's a big mistake and suspect will not be repeated!

[plan9fromoutaspace]

swim had a party pill with tfmpp this weekend. It also had bzp like most party pills. Although the tfmpp added some euphoria and empathy, he found the side effects to strong to call the experiment enjoyable.
Swim reminds tfmpp of lsa, it has simular sideeffects, like blocking the nose, and there´s also this ugly feeling all over the skin that just tfmpp has.
This smiley´s party pills have 40mg tfmpp in them, maybe that´s still to much for him.

[Habit]

9/12/07

11:30 (0:00)

100mgs TFMPP administered orally, as well as 500mgs Ascorbic Acid,, 100mgs 5-hydroxytryptophan, and 1000mcgs of Cyanocobalamin. Also, a 16/4 [daily] dose of Suboxone was taken several hours prior.

12:00 (0:30)

Serenity with an ebbing body high (similar feeling to that of Carisoprodol). Obviously the TFMPP is magnifying the Analgesic & Anxiolytic aspects of the Burpenorphine in its 9th inning.
{Habit will post the rest when he is done enjoying himself}

[jux]

mif has used tfmpp with meopp (50 mg tfmpp 150 mg meopp). no neg side effects to report...in addition to the (fairly mild) effects of the meopp, minor visuals were noticed. (ie: color enhancement, mild patterning) he has never bothered to try tfmpp alone.

[ballzac]

SWIM had TFMPP once and probably never will again simply because it is illegal where SWIM lives and there are much nicer illegal things around if one is so inclined. The details are sketchy as this was several months ago, but I thought I'd post SWIM's opinions because they seem to differ to most people's.

SWIM does not know the dose as it was a capsule that was traded to him and he was told it was a 'perfect' dose. He took it at 10:30 AM. About half an hour later he noticed a rush that was similar to speed. By 11:30 he was getting full on rushes that were quite enjoyable even though he doesn't like speedy feeling hugely.

1.5 hours into the experience it had reach full intensity and SWIM described it as the stimulation of speed, but with the pit of the stomach rush of MDxx (which SWIM finds much more enjoyable than the empty stimulation of speed). He felt restless and went for a walk, but didn't really have that much energy and ended up going home and watching TV.

He went and visited his dad a couple of hours later and it felt enjoyable to talk. By the time he got home at about 6PM he was still getting rushes, but they were subsiding. The stimulant effects had worn off completely by about 8PM and he felt drained as he does after taking any stimulant.

Overall, SWIM does not like stimulants, but of all he has tried, TFMPP seemed quite nice. It had more of the rushing quality that MD has than speed does(actually about halfway between the two), but without the empathogenic properties (often SWIM thinks that MD has a lot of emotional bullshit and doesn't like the fact that it makes him think he is top shit, but he likes the rush). Also, speed usually gives him a terrible comedown. He often has trouble breathing when he is coming down from speed and feels like shit.

TFMPP Also lasts much longer than speed, and for the peak (7-8hrs) the rushes come in waves like MD which means that SWIM wouldn't have had the urge to redose if he had the opportunity.

All in all, he thinks that if he was interested in stimulants he would approve, but he will stick to the psychedelics.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Welcome to the forums. Very interesting report. Thanks for sharing.

[baron samedi]

SWIM is surprised that SWIY felt a speedy effect from TFMPP as his experience of doing TFMPP on its own was very psychedelic.
Having said that he did far too much which has left him fearful of ever trying it again without BZP.
BZP on its own seems much more speedy to SWIM, but maybe it was just the ridiculously high dose of TFMPP that he consumed, which caused him to trip like hell.

[Euphoric]

baron samedi, please elaborate on "trip like hell" and the dose.

[baron samedi]

Well, most of SWIM's "bad" experience is discussed in his post earlier on in this thread, but to elaborate he basically snorted about 333mg's of TFMPP, thinking that dosage would be equivalent to taking BZP, and lived to regret it.
When he says "trip like hell" he wasn't exactly transported to another dimension, or conversing with demons or anything like that, but he definately experienced "trip" like effects, in that his vision and hearing both became seriously warped. When people spoke to him their words sounded extremely distant and muffled and visually he couldn't focus on anything as it was so fuzzy.
He should add that he was on a dose of 300mg's of effexor XL at the time which suggests to him that he was probably experiencing a kind of "serotonin syndrome", accounting for the feeling of great fear and panic he had.
Needless to say, such an experiment has not been repeated!

[alpine]

He should add that he was on a dose of 300mg's of effexor XL at the time which suggests to him that he was probably experiencing a kind of "serotonin syndrome", accounting for the feeling of great fear and panic he had.

SWIM took some tabs before that were passed on as ecstasy but were a copycat pill. Swim took 3 tabs and had earlier dosed his daily dose of 5-htp. SWIM experienced serotonin syndome and would like to suggest that "great fear and panic" could be repleaced with TERROR.

[baron samedi]

Yeah TERROR would be a pretty good way to describe SWIMs feelings on that night. He has certainly never felt as close to death as he did do then.
The feeling that he'd done something very stupid and not knowing what to do about it was intense. He is lucky he was able to ride it out in bed for a few hours, then gradually the symptoms subsided.
Can SWIAlpine remember any particular symptoms that he experienced with his SS?

[RX420]

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