Has SWIM done too much MDMA, or is it something else?

[stoned_roses]

Ok so SWIM started taking mdma about 4months ago (having done pills maybe 3 times 2 years before) and did 1gram in a single sitting over the course of about 5 hours. Wonderful Visuals and incredible buzz was had.

3weeks later SWIM did another gram, the first experience was replicated however the visuals were incredible, undescribable and overwhelming (but in a good, interesting way)
over the course of the next week, another gram was had, along with several pills at a party on the following saturday - a 1 week comedown was enjoyed

Towards the end of this week the MDMA and pills did absolutely nothing, no come up, no dilated pupils etc

Following this week, SWIM took a 4week break, with 5-HTP being taken everyday along with healthy eating and drinking.

After 4 weeks, SWIM deemed it long enough to do some more. 500mg of mdma was had on the friday night, it took an hour and a half to come up, and the buzz was minor and lasted only 20-30minutes before being back at bassline both mentally and physically.

Worried, SWIM took another 4 week break, which brought him round to summer solstice. 750mg of MDMA was taken over several hours, with the buzz only present for the first hour after another 1hr30+ til comeing up at all. After that there were some nice visuals thought nothing like the first 2 experiences.

1 week later and another 600mg is consumed over several hours, again only a 1 hour buzz after a long come up, but the remainder of the evening was pleasent.

Unfortunately, all of SWIMs friends do drugs all the time, and SWIM doesn't want to be left out, so last night 2x 200mg bombs and 1 pill were taken over 3 hours. The buzz from the first bomb was good, and it only took 20minutes to come up, lasted several hours with the pill and second bomb top up, it couldn't be described as "rolling hard" but SWIM was definately "on it". About an hour after the finaly bomb, the experience intensified somewhat, SWIMs eyes spending a reasonable ammount of time in the back of his head flying from side to side. However after about 20 minutes SWIM was sick, which instantly, and completely removed all effects, baseline was re-assumed.


What SWIM would like to know is, would you consider this usage, over the last 4months, to be excessive? To the point of causing maybe a lack of serotonin in his brain? SWIM was under the impression that a lack of serotonin would cause depression, or generally low mood. However, since that week where, in fairness SWIM did rinse it a bit, mood has been increased. Before SWIM didn't go out much, was reluctant to go the shops unless he had to etc... but now he goes out everyday (not to do drugs), goes to the shop at least once a day, and generally enjoys being out and about and feels much much happier in general. Surely this isn't consistent with having little to no serotonin?
Or perhaps the first few weeks of high usage has put in place a really high tolerance? But if so, how come the last three weeks SWIM has done MDMA each weekend with little joy, yet last night he felt more battered than he has done in ages.
SWIMs source is reliable, and is the same MDMA each time.
Dosage doesn't change much, 140-200mg per bomb/line whether its the first of the evening or the last.

Reading this forum SWIM has noticed some talk of medication and MDMA not going well together. SWIM takes 5-htp occasionally, it seems to make no difference whether he has one before after or during taking MDMA though. He also has VitB complex tablets.
However, he also takes Lymecycline tablets (anti-biotics) for his skin, and has been doing so since before christmas. Could this affect things?

SWIM has a cunning feeling that the reply is going to be "take a break for 6 months", which is fair enough, though he just wondered if anyone had any other suggestions.

SWIM thanks you for your time.

[Fantasian]

thanks for your experiences they help the forum.
It's nice to see a new face too!

To set a couple of things straight 1gram of MDMA in a single sitting is an absolutely enormous dose. While many SWIM's have done this at some point it generally is considered a toxic dosage. The visuals SWIY gained are likely from the conversion of MDMA to MDA which is considered much more "trippy". This occurs when large amounts of MDMA are consumed.

Taking dosages around 1gram are likely to cause total and complete serotonin depletion. It takes roughly 2 months for the brain to fully recuperate. Although 5-HTP can maximize this recovery and sometimes quicken it, it's certainly no magic cure.

The above explains to a large degree SWIY's lack of empathic feelings and 'Buzz' on the drug. It's better to only use MDMA/ecstasy once a month at a maximum and stick to dosages more around 300mg. SWIF takes a 160 mg dosage followed in 1 hour by a 140 mg dosage if the effects arn't intense enough. Pushing it much beyond that just leads to more amphetamine type effects and a longer and harder recovery period.

If SWIY is worried about enjoying it more often and wants that kind of intensity he needs to look into possibly adding GHB as this increases the intensity or at least did for SWIF. Or maybe using other party drugs rather than MDMA every weekend.

You'll find if you search around many SWIM's have problems with tolerance and serotonin depletion.

As to the antibiotics, there are definatley antibiotics that can mess with MDMA's effect but i dont think that Lymecycline is one of them. With a little searching you should be able to find a list.

Last but not least make sure your enjoying the night, ive said numerous times before how important the setting is with any drug! This rule applies to MDMA more than most, if your around friends with awesome music that you love you'll roll significantly harder than you ever would without them.

All the best feel free to ask anything else

EDIT: P.S. Also it's important to when your taking 5-HTP, many people find that MDMA's effects are partially blocked if 5-HTP is taken within 4 hours of dropping a pill or MDMA bomb. Dont preload on 5HTP within 4 hours.

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excellent advise

[podge]

SwiFantasian really hit the nail on the head there. Maybe LeJunk can also be of assistance, check out this thread, it may help swiy clean his MDMA if it's not pure .

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29652

[stoned_roses]

Thankyou for the responses.

SWIM has a couple more things to add.

Firstly, could SWIY please clear up the following.... The powder SWIM gets is very crystally pink stuff, when crushed up it becomes less pinky but is still clearly pink. Now, SWIM thought MDMA was white, and indeed 2 of the previous occasions the mdma was white (once from a different source). Is the pink stuff MDMA, or MDE, or MDA perhaps? The visuals were pretty good, very very real at times and completely nice - nothing scary and on the summer solstice occasion had started occuring at a dose of only 3-400mg. This is something SWIM had heard might be attributed to MDE or MDA rather than mdma.

You mention the "complete depletion of serotonin". Well SWIM thought about that, but as mentioned previously.... if that was the case surely SWIM would be depressed, lazy and pretty uninterested in life in general. Yet as SWIM said, social activity has increased, happiness has increased, college work has been done (before none was done), SWIM has even started playing sport again and as a result is healthier, and looks healthier (to the point where people are pointing it out).
- This is where SWIM is confused

SWIM has combined GHB and mdma, it was very nice but the GHB caused problems in the stomach.

Again, Thanks for the Replies

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by stoned_roses

You mention the "complete depletion of serotonin". Well SWIM thought about that, but as mentioned previously.... if that was the case surely SWIM would be depressed, lazy and pretty uninterested in life in general. Yet as SWIM said, social activity has increased, happiness has increased, college work has been done (before none was done), SWIM has even started playing sport again and as a result is healthier, and looks healthier (to the point where people are pointing it out).
- This is where SWIM is confused

Well it's important to understand the serotonin is not the only happy chemical in SWIY's body, dopamine, endodorphins and many other neurotransmitters play a big part in mood and feelings. The brain is an incredably complex thing that we dont understand at all. Some people find a lack or lower level of serotonin harder than others.

Downregulation might also play a part if SWIY is constantly using 5HTP. This is where you are giving the receptors in your brain so much serotonin some of them close. I think there is some information on the forum about this but if your struggling to find it just ask again and when i have a lil more time ill try to explain

[podge]

The pink colour doesnt point to it being MDE or MDA or anything else really , the pink could be as result of a dye or colouring agent. Like fantasian said, MDMA break's down into MDA in the brain after a few hour's so that could explain the extreme visual's.

Perhap's swiy's use of 5-htp led to diminished effects. 5-htp help's replenishs depleted seratonin when taken after MDMA.....but like fantasian also said......

" Also it's important to when your taking 5-HTP, many people find that MDMA's effects are partially blocked if 5-HTP is taken within 4 hours of dropping a pill or MDMA bomb. Dont preload on 5HTP within 4 hours."

[robert whitfield]

I would also be very interested to know if there is any interaction between Lymecycline and MDMA, maby you could discuss this with your doctor ?

robert

[robert whitfield]

SWIY should keep an eye on this thread

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...002#post287002

robert

[Fantasian]

Please dont double post Robert. I already responded in the other post.