Combinations - 4th of july. mushrooms, kava kava... syrian rue, yopo.

[tayo]

SWIM let me copy this experience from his journal, he just wrote it and told me people on this forum should read it.

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Last night I decided to eat mushrooms just before the fireworks show on the 4th of July, I had a prime area to watch the show and was very excited. About 45 minutes before the show began I enjoyed 1/16oz. of encapsulated mushrooms. Since they were in capsules, right when the show started I began to feel the effects of the mushrooms, different, funny thoughts. The fireworks were very pleasant to watch and I have uploaded [swim's video's] to youtube...

here are 19 x 30sec clips of the fireworks (turn your speakers down)

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...D8EC81BB46BD80

(play 19 to 1 if you want to see beginning to finale)

well that will give you an idea of how wonderful it was

after the fireworks I chewed some kava kava and this changed the shroom experience making it a little less intense, but it was not much different, no significant change.

The party cooled down and I went back to my friend's house for a gathering of 5 people. I decided to eat one more mushroom in this relaxed good company, as well as about 3 grams of syrian rue, I had not had any tyramine all day before. Anyway I also tossed about 10 Yopo seeds in my pocket and planned on waiting about 30-45 minutes until ingesting those and the original plan was not to exceed five.
We got to the house, it was late we were all hanging out, I had taken the syrian rue and mushrooms already and was feeling nice, I then snuck off and broke up some yopo seeds and swallowed them down with some water. People were hanging out and someone offered me a chocolate, and it being late, I ate it (foreshadowing). The stomach gurgled a bit and was upset, so I ate an apple to try and get things moving around better.
That was fine but about 10 minutes after eating the apple there was a strong urge to vomit. Went to the bathroom, vommitted several times, making myself gag, I was throwing up into the toilet for about 45 minutes. Then I lied down on the bathroom floor from exhaustion. Drooling, eyes gushing and more vommitting occured, this time lying on my side with my shirt off, sweating ridiculous amounts while trying to focus on breathing deep and steady. After about 45 minutes people began to ask, "seriously though, where's ******?" after vomit spots were on the floor and I knew there was such a serious risk involved with MAOIs I decided to get help from them, I called for help from my friends, it took a while for them to find me but I told them I need an ambulance, they freaked out, worried about the money, trying to convince me that I didn't that I'd be fine and just needed some water, I said "don't fucking question this, it is not a joke, do you want me to die here? i know about this stuff and i fucked up and i don't want to risk dying, i'm not ready to die, not here, not like this!"
"you're overreactig, you'll be fine, you don't need an ambulance."
"yes i fucking do, call 911 right now, use my phone."
takes phone, "i'm telling you ****** that this ambulance is going to cost alot of money, and you don't want to do this, blah blah blah blah i don't want the ambulance coming because it will ruin my night, i don't want them here this is ruining my night"
one of my "friends" was disappointed, trying to give me shit for my decision, i eventually snatched the phone back and managed to call 911 myself because time was definitely a factor, and i was not ready to die.
i called told this drunkie about 8 times "(MAOI!) look it up on the internet and then tell me it's not serious asshole."
the fire truck arrived, i asked for a blanket and oxygen, i got it, and the oxygen helped more than anything else, my blood pressure was 160/100, a little high, within ~15 minutes of oxygen, i managed to stand up on my own, the ambulance arrived, they walked next to me to the ambulance, i felt much better, but wasn't willing to take a risk on getting to the hospital in a car without a trained emergency worker.
the entire time i was lying on the floor vomitting, dry heaving, and drooling i was tripping balls, just thinking about life, existence, why i do things like this, i'm smarter than this, constantly saying thank you and i will be sure to reward you for this, which i intend to do. i was coherent but often my train of thought would slip when replying to a question. I got to the hospital, we shifted beds, I told them what happened but only said I had taken syrian rue for a slight mood lift and i skipped over the chocolate part, even though i knew it was dangerous, it had just escaped me. they asked if i was trying to kill myself i said no.
they asked several times throughout the night, "did you have some percocet?" "i said hell no i don't fuck with that." they asked at least 4 times, they also showed me a printout with the title, "ayahuasca" they said "is this what you took?" i said "no, i know what that is but i only took syrian rue none of the other stuff."

while on the floor i was reciting lyrics to the song "God's Bathroom Floor" by atmosphere, i suggest you download the song, there is no good version on youtube.
also was singing in my head "Tears for Fears" and "Ave Maria" on the donnie darko soundtrack.

i had never struggled for my life before, and i don't want to ever again. it was a rude awakening for me. i'm young and i have alot to live for, and it's not too much to pay for an ambulance when my life is on the line.
without the chocolate, i feel as though the experience would have been much different, would have been a very positive enlightening experience.
While recovering there were thoughts of writing and i managed to get a pen and pad but couldn't get much out besides, "ultimate reality" i put the pad away and stood up and began to stretch, i stretched alot, lunges, arm stretches, everything and was very friendly with the doctors and nurses, i even offered to take one of them out to lunch. The activated charcoal was "interesting", almost flavorless but not unlike drinking wet fine sand, they made me drink all of it, i spilled some and i also managed to style my jeans black patterns on one leg, i'm going to iron it and keep it as a reminder. It was disgusting.
The visuals I was experiencing were complete, EVERYTHING was moving, or almost shaking into a blur, everything was overlapping everything, everything was intertwined, reading was difficult and when i closed an eye things seemed to clear up enough to read. The visuals were constant the entire time. I could not tell if the ambulance worker was beautiful or whether what she did for a living was beautiful, it didn't matter, she was there. I couldn't count on my friends because two of them were drunk and it took me a good 15 minutes to try and convince them to call the ambulance and i still was more capable lying on the floor in vomit.
The four others that were around at the incedent apparently cried, had serious talks about selfishness, and made a list of who should come to my funeral if i died. My driver to pick me up from the hospital also managed a flat tire so i was forced to wait quite a while for a ride. I apologized today when I woke up at 430pm told them i was sorry for the scare and thank you for being there. There is not much else to say but be careful if ever using an MAOI, i knew that, just didn't constantly remind myself. I hope anyone who reads this can understand the importance of the dangers of MAOIs and any drugs for that matter.
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Comments appreciated. thank you swim, paving the way for what not to do by fucking up.

[tayo]

bump? anyone?

[Bajeda]

Don't know what to say at this point. I hope swiy learnt his lesson. MAOIs are risky things to play around with, and mixing with shrooms should be considered very cautiously. Mixing with Kava was irresponsible, as the effects of such a combination aren't known and I'm pretty sure you've seen the thread on Kava's potential ability for inhibition of a breadth of CYP450 enzyms, further complicating things.

Good to hear that swiy is ok, and I hope he has learned something from this valuable experience. Also, thank you for sharing this report/story.

[tayo]

Yes, Swim has learnt something valuable from this, respect yourself, do the research, focus on the diet especially with MAOi's and probably just don't do MAOi's at all now. These were all things he knew, he just didn't think about it, or had a lack of care for what was going to happen, and then the fact that death is possible reassigned his thoughts toward safety. There was no kava kava chewed with the MAOi, and it had been a couple hours since chewing a couple grams, but that doesn't mean it still wasn't in Swim's system. However embarassing this may be for Swim I thought it would be best to show others how bad it can be and I hope no one goes through what Swim went through. Swim was also surprised that the memory of the experience was so clear, he can see the people's faces who helped him if he just thinks about them. Anyone have an idea what the ambulance bill will be?

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by tayo

There was no kava kava chewed with the MAOi, and it had been a couple hours since chewing a couple grams, but that doesn't mean it still wasn't in Swim's system.

Not sure about the ambulance bill (that is like adding insult to injury!), but my monkey remembers a recent occaision where he drank a Kava brew and hours later took some Tramadol and had an uncomfortable experience, most likely due to some form of cytochrome enzyme inhibition rather than a negative synergy of subjective effects. The monkey still isn't sure exactly how long Kava stays in your system or how long the lactones are exhibiting pharmacologic effects, but he is definitely going to keep such timing issues in mind for the future! (another reason he stays away from MAOIs!)

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim rarely mixes shrooms with anything.He has found that shrooms are one of those things that are best enjoyed alone.Swim has had some wonderful experiences with them but some pretty scary ones to and just doesn't want to risk anything that might bring on a scary experience or create an even worse one.

[Heretic.Ape.]

Glad to hear everything turned out ok for swiy. Scary stuff. Different cities have different policies for ambulances and I don't know about swiy's. Around here it costs around 300 dollars but if swiy has insurance it should be pretty much covered. Some cities provide ambulance service free and one can usually figure something out if cost is an issue (labmonkey's epileptic so he's taken a few rides in his time ). Hope swiy's doing well, recovered, and is enjoying his new-found appreciation for life.
h.a.