test kit

[what?]

Hi, the other day i went out for my friends birthday and while out a guy gave my friend, what he said was a crytstal of mdma.
My friend didn't want to take it there, so the guy tried to give it to my other friends but they didn't want to take it either, so in the end he just gave back to my friend as a birthday present.
Now, my friend has been interested in trying e for a while, so they don't want to just throw this crystal away. They were thinking about getting a test kit to see if it was what he said it was.
So, they asked me to ask if anyone could recommend a good testing kit, or some reagent solution.
They're pretty sure the guy who gave it to them was genuine, cause it was quite a small environment, and he tried to give it to others.
What do people think?

[what?]

also my friend was going to split the crystal with someone, as it's their first time and they don't wanna be overwelmed.
the crystal is about 5mm by 4mm by 2.5mm.
or do people recommend they get some decent scales.

[Abrad]

Get a scales. SWIY will need about 100-120mg each. Marquis reagent is the standard basic testing kit. Google "EZ-Test".

[what?]

ok, thanks.
is it worth getting the kits that test for other stuff, like the EZ Test Xtreme, or is that just about trying to sell stuff for more money.

[what?]

also, i doubt the crystal be enough for 2 people as he was trying to give it to just one. but when he found out my friend had never taken a pill, he stopped trying to give it to her, so it's probably quite strong.
what will happen on a low dose?

[Abrad]

^Yes, definetely worth it.

[raid517]

I bought this kit: http://drugs.greenparty.org.uk/

I wonder if anyone thinks it's any good?

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[what?]

what is likely to happen on a low does?
my friend told me she thinks the crystal is around 100mg, cause it doesn't show up on her scales, and they measure in 1g increments.
So if she split this in two, so she'd be taking under 50mg, what can she expect?

[podge]

100mg is generally considered a standard dose. Thresehold effects (lowest dose needed to feel anything) with MDMA can be felt from around 30mg or so. So 50mgs should be a mild experience. But getting a more powerful scale's would be a better idea just to be safe.

[what?]

i think it will be pretty safe, cause the guy was trying to give one person the crystal, and also the scales are pretty accurate, just only in 1g increments, so the crystal will weigh only 100mg at the most, so splitting it should make it very small. it definetly doesn't weigh 2gs.
cheers for the help thou.

[grandbaby]

1000 mgs is a gram. 100 mgs is 1/10th of a gram. Why do you say it weighs 100mg at the most? By my reckoning, it could have an upward weight of 750 mgs before it would register on a 1g scale (more likely 500 mg but varies from scale to scale).

Don't assume because the fellow was trying to give the crystal to one person that it's a safe dose.

Two questions your friend needs to answer before taking it (or splitting it):

1) Does it test out to be MDMA?
2) How much does it weigh?

[raid517]

Hi, OK well in an attempt to make myself more relevant (or less irrelevant at least) I will quote myself:

I bought this kit: http://drugs.greenparty.org.uk/

I wonder if anyone thinks it's any good?

The reason I'm doing this is that my testing kit arrived (very nasty stuff apparently) and it was really just very basic.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between MDA or MDMA or any of theMDX family at all. Nor is it able to show any other contaminates. (Although it does claim to be able to test for other common stimulants as I stated above).

SWIM tried the kit as it was a gift intended for him - and the results he got from only a very small scraping were a distict very intense deep dark purple.

Does the depth of colour give any indication as to the actual likely kind of MDX that the pill might contain, or it's purity?

[grandbaby]

Originally Posted by raid517

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between MDA or MDMA or any of theMDX family at all. Nor is it able to show any other contaminates. (Although it does claim to be able to test for other common stimulants as I stated above).

SWIM tried the kit as it was a gift intended for him - and the results he got from only a very small scraping were a distict very intense deep dark purple.

Does the depth of colour give any indication as to the actual likely kind of MDX that the pill might contain, or it's purity?

Doesn't the manual that comes with the reagent tell you this? What is the reagent: Marquis or another one? If it doesn't tell you, and it doesn't come with a manual telling you how to use it, I'd ask for my money back from the irresponsible folks who sold it to you... Sheesh!

If it's Marquis reagent, a dark purple reaction suggests that it's MD* or DXM. http://erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdm...ing_kits.shtml

If you have a Mecke reagent, a dark blue verging on black suggests MD*. http://dancesafe.org/testingkits/instructions.php

[raid517]

I believe it's Marquis.

It did come with a sheet listing the various reactions. But it wasn't very detailed.

I was simply curious of there was any way to disinguish between the MDx family.

It kind of sucks really, since swim only really likes MDMA and isn't so keen on MDA and is probably even very afraid of DXM.

Which of the reagents is preferable - and is there any way at all to test specifically for the presence of MDMA?

[Broshious]

I believe Simon's and Robadope's can distinguish between MDMA and MDA.

[what?]

Phew, glad you pulled me up on that one, i had a feeling that that couldn't have been right! I've told my friend to buy some scales now that measure in 0.1g increments.
cheers!

raid517, from what i have read about the kits on the internet, no they can't tell you about contaminants, or the purity.

[Nagognog2]

You can get more tech - but it requires more chemicals and training. TLC plates etc. to id the DXM from the MDA from the PMA etc. The problem with offering such to the mass market is that people will get lost in the instructions. And the price would go way up. Simple chemicals and basic materials don't come cheap anymore (never really did).

[raid517]

Well this seems to be a better kit:

http://www.wellcoolstuff.com/Merchan...oduct_code=ETX


A wider range of chemicals and the possibility (allegedly) to test for more contaminates.

However you are right, the testing process does seem significantly more complex and it is not well laid out or demonstrated here.

What would really probably help SWIM (and many other people) to stay safe would be a good clear pictorial/tutorial on how to use a kit like this to perform a good range of tests and to eliminate as many of the risks as possible.

I (and I know SWIM) deeply lament the fact that no such guide exists.

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Originally Posted by raid517

Well this seems to be a better kit:

http://www.wellcoolstuff.com/Merchan...oduct_code=ETX


A wider range of chemicals and the possibility (allegedly) to test for more contaminates.

However you are right, the testing process does seem significantly more complex and it is not well laid out or demonstrated here.

What would really probably help SWIM (and many other people) to stay safe would be a good clear pictorial/tutorial on how to use a kit like this to perform a good range of tests and to eliminate as many of the risks as possible.

I (and I know SWIM) deeply lament the fact that no such guide exists.

this kit doesnt distinguish between mda and pma apparently, which would render it completely useless to swim as one of swims main concerns is not ingesting pma, however swim would glady ingest an mda pill.

[raid517]

Not PMA specifically - but it does seem to suggest that it can give a strong indication of MDMA and MDA.

In fact as I said, I'm slighly confused by it. It does seem to be the best kit I have found so far - but not being able to
specifically test for PMA might be an issue - depending on how common PMA is.


Also as I said, it does look like it could be confusing. The best bet for SWIM and for everyone else would be, as I said, if perhaps someone who was qualified could provide a good clear step by step pictorial on how to test accurately for these different substances.

Perhaps some small addition to this kit might also provide an accurate test for PMA also?

[Broshious]

According to wikipedia Mandelin can distinguish PMA.

[Nagognog2]

What's stopping you?

[raid517]

I don't have the experience. I am not qualified to be certain that any advice I may give may be hamful and that I would not hurt anyone as a result of doing so, or that I wouldn't get it wrong.