Culture - Blacks and LSD

[dualityno31]

Swim recently has been chillin with his African American buddies, and asked bout some acid. They say blacks dont do acid, its soley a "rocker" drug. I was wondering if this was true, even though i here many rappers use psychedelics to the contrary. Any thoughts?

[♣ Tekken ♥]

of course blacks take acid.. not all of them, prehaps not as many as whites, but of course some do (Hendrix for instance)

here's some Cypress Hill lyrics:

I'll admit, I was a wild seed when I was a kid
Slangin dope, poppin Shroomz and droppin lots of 'cid
Psychodelic visions would ensue
My view feelin the alter-states as they altered my fate
But I ??, all that distorted shit brought it up
I came short and couldn't afford to store it up


that's B-Real, he's at least part black.....
sure your blacks mates don't take acid, but I bet you know some whites who don't take it as well, so??

[Egnarodude]

Gnarls Barkley used some cid for sure i think

[Raz]

Gnarls Barkley isn't real person It's a collaboration between Cee Lo (black) and Danger Mouse (white).

As for the topic, acid is not a genre thing although "underground" artists probably "use" it more. It's also not a projects drug but all blacks don't live there, so ...

[mseerob]

Black people don't do acid LOL!

[geophagus]

What about Jimi Hendrix?

Oops! I missed where someone already pointed Jimi out before in this thread.

[mseerob]

Ok.... a few out of how many black people in this world lol

Its all about the ganja.... LSD fucks up your head.

[geophagus]

Originally Posted by mseerob

LSD fucks up your head.

Really? That's news to me.

[tayo]

this is a silly question, someone of every race has done acid, it's more geographical than anything else, if it's around people will do LSD.

[eltimmy]

Ok.... a few out of how many black people in this world lol

Oh, well, I guess that means it's folly to pigeonhole individuals based completely on race, EH?

Its all about the ganja.... LSD fucks up your head.

Actually, the link between induction of drug-free psychosis in susceptible individuals and heavy marijuana use is much more strongly evidenced than any such link with LSD or psychedelics in general.

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In any case, the question of how drug use is approached in cultures other than the ones SWIM usually walks in is always interesting to SWIM, and
he's thought about this too.

SWIM always found it curious that ecstacy is big in the heavy-on-masculine-aggression "gangsta" rap scene -- when they take it, do they hug each other a lot? Do they proclaim their love to each other? Do they give each other backrubs? Do they call all their friends on their cell phone? Do they work through interpersonal issues? ;-)

SWIM asked a friend about it and he says it's mostly a sex thing. Sounds like they're getting meth bombs to SWIM. ;-)

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[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by eltimmy

Actually, the link between induction of drug-free psychosis in susceptible individuals and heavy marijuana use is much more strongly evidenced than any such link with LSD or psychedelics in general.

As in Reefer Madness 2.0 is more hyped than LSD, flashbacks and all the other crazy myths that go with it? I don't think it's reached that level...yet.

[Nacumen]

From The Office: "Do black people like pizza?"


Maybe there's been a study done on the topic of LSD-usage by blacks, but I doubt there has been. Would be neat to see it at any rate. Oh, and I hypothesize that blacks use more LSD per capita than whites

[mseerob]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

As in Reefer Madness 2.0 is more hyped than LSD, flashbacks and all the other crazy myths that go with it? I don't think it's reached that level...yet.

Oh yeah?! Swiy thinks so...

Swiy tell me if flashbacks / HPPD are real or fake.

And obviously the use of LSD or anything is based on race or culture. But swim dont know of any black men besides jimi that uses or has used it. If there are any that has then they've done it, thats there business..

[tayo]

someone should make a poll. "do you know a black person that has used LSD? how many? " 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, swim is black and has used lsd

[grandbaby]

Originally Posted by mseerob

swim dont know of any black men besides jimi that uses or has used it. If there are any that has then they've done it, thats there business..

Head ... out ... of ... rectum ... NOW.

There, isn't that better?

Check out Dock Ellis, my all-time favorite LSD-user. Pitched a no-hitter in 1972 while high as a motherfucker.



Snide Postscript: if y'all think blacks don't do acid, you probably just don't know very many black people...

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LOL. Cool baseball reference too.

[mseerob]

Like Swim said in his previous post.

Whoever has done LSD is there business....

Swim does not care who has done LSD, if there are superstars to bumbs, that there or swiy business. But swim doesnt now of many blacks that has done that shit. Its more on cannabis hehehehe

[Powder_Reality]

Check out Dock Ellis, my all-time favorite LSD-user. Pitched a no-hitter in 1972 while high as a motherfucker.

Didn't Dock Ellis pitch a no-hitter because he threw so terribly while high as a motherfucker on LSD?

If memory serves me correct, he somehow managed to forget that he had a game that evening and dropped a tab while relaxing at home. Then when he got there, he threw nothing but crappy pitches that no one was able to hit. Of course, this is still technically a "no-hitter".

By the way, it's not actually a confirmed fact whether he truly was on LSD that game. That was just his excuse he gave 14 years later when he admitted it.

http://www.snopes.com/sports/baseball/ellis.asp

But back on topic: there's plenty of people from different cultures all over the world who have used the exact same substances that SWIY may have used before. Just take a look at how many different countries all of the swimmers who use this forum hail from. Statistically speaking, there may be a higher amount of use of a specific drug among certain cultures, but that would most likely be based upon geographical location and availability.

[Bajeda]

Title: Prevalence and risk factors for LSD use among young women.
Author: Rickert, Vaughn I
Citation: J Pediatr Adolesc Gynecol. Volume: 16, Issue: 2, Date: 2003 05 13,
Pages: 67-75
Abstract:

STUDY OBJECTIVE: To report the lifetime prevalence of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) and to identify unique correlates of using this substance in the last year among a large multiethnic sample of sexually active adolescent and young adult women aged 14 to 26 yrs.

DESIGN, SETTING, PARTICIPANTS: A cross-sectional survey, administered at university-based ambulatory reproductive health clinics, was completed by 904 women between April and November of 1997 to identify risk factors associated with their use of LSD within the past 12 months. Subjects who reported lifetime, but not past 12 months', use of marijuana, LSD, or other illicit drugs were excluded, leaving a sample of 368 nonusers and 56 users of LSD. In addition, 231 young women who reported only using marijuana in the last year were used as a comparison group to identify unique factors associated with LSD use.

RESULTS: Of the total sample (n=904), 13% (n=119) reported lifetime use of LSD, and 58% (n=536) reported lifetime use of marijuana. Logistic regression analyses controlling for age and race/ethnicity found distinct profiles for those who reported using LSD or only marijuana in the last year when compared to those who reported no substance use. Common to both groups was reporting being drunk at least 10 times during the last year, regular smoking of at least half a pack of cigarettes, and identification as a high-sexual-risk taker. However, LSD users as compared to nonusers were more likely to report white ethnicity (as compared to nonwhite), be less than or equal to 17 years of age (as compared to at least 18 years), report a history of physical abuse, and be categorized as having severe depressive symptomatology. In contrast, those who reported only using marijuana were more likely to report single marital status, young age at first intercourse, having half or more of their friends use marijuana, and poor grades.

CONCLUSIONS: The female LSD user presents a distinct profile that might aid clinicians in identifying potential LSD use in this population as well as alerting clinicians to the relationship between LSD use and high-risk sexual behaviors.


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Title: Club drug use among minority substance users in New York City.
Author: Ompad, Danielle C
Citation: J Psychoactive Drugs. Volume: 36, Issue: 3, Date: 2005 11 22, Pages: 397-9
Abstract: Surveillance data suggests that club drug use (Ecstasy, GHB, ketamine, LSD, methamphetamine, PCP and flunitrazepam) has been a predominantly White adolescent and young adult phenomenon in the United States. The authors investigated the use of club drugs among 323 street-recruited minority substance users in northern New York City (66.3% were Hispanic, 23.8% were Black, and 9.9% were White/other race; median age = 32 years old). While Whites were more likely than others to have used club drugs, club drug use among Hispanics and Blacks was not uncommon; 45.3% Hispanics and 56.4% of Blacks reported a lifetime history of club drug use. PCP was the most commonly reported club drug used among all racial/ethnic groups. Further investigation of club drug use in minority populations is warranted.


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The best report relevant to this topic I could find was the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse Main Findings from 1998, by Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (DHHS/PHS), Rockville, MD. Office of Applied Studies.

The report states that there was a difference in levels of hallucinogen use by different ethnicities, and this held true for LSD. However, the differences in levels of use between different age groups seems to be even greater.

More whites used hallucinogens than hispanics, and more hispanics used them than blacks. The variation in levels of use between these demographic categories was the greatest in the 18-25 age group, where whites were 7 times more likely to have used hallucinogens in their life than blacks.

For LSD in particular, the same trend held true but not to as great of an extent. The exact figures for percentages of ethnic groups who admitted to using LSD in their lifetime was: White - 9.2%, Black - 4.0% and Hispanic - 4.1%

So you can see that isn't really that huge of a difference, as far as most people here are concerned when it comes to people of different races they may meet and become friends with. It shouldn't be an issue of NO blacks using LSD while tons of white people are, thats a terrible misconception.

The pdf may be too big, but I'll try to upload this particular article to the archive and post the link here.

[fnord]

i think this is one of the sillyest posts ive seen!how can people be so judgemental/prejuduce against other cultures?is (just about)everyone on this forum from the usa?sorry but stuff like this pisses me off

[augentier]

Originally Posted by fnord

how can people be so judgemental/prejuduce against other cultures?is (just about)everyone on this forum from the usa?

contradict yourself much?


the person who told the original poster this myth was a black guy, so it's not some white american dude being prejudice, maybe a little ignorant. sounds like the anti-acid black guy is just caught up in his own perceived stereotypes of how his culture compares to those around him.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by augentier

sounds like the anti-acid black guy is just caught up in his own perceived stereotypes of how his culture compares to those around him.

It sounds like the guy who made the claim was just making a broad sweeping generalization based on his own limited personal experience instead of basing it on a more concrete (quantitative) foundation.

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exactly

[fnord]

if we only take in what we see around us then theres no way we can tell a complete story,theres just too much missing info,for example i live in maine,a part of maine that has probly 1 african american to every 150 white/whatever people going by what i can see in my imediate area theres very few african american/whatever in the usa.just because you cant see something dosent mean its not there.wonder if busta rhmes has droped some L?im not saying that a majority of them do/dont,just makeing a point.



and also check this out:http://books.google.com/books?id=vG2...roJwmWL6b2xfn0

[augentier]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

It sounds like the guy who made the claim was just making a broad sweeping generalization based on his own limited personal experience instead of basing it on a more concrete (quantitative) foundation.

That is exactly what I said, in different words.


I live in Kansas in a remote area, racism is huge and I am surprised when I see a black person, asian, sometimes hispanic walking around (though not uncommon at all in the city). So I know what you're saying, fnord.

Anyway, some of the black people I know love acid, shrooms, and other psychedelics.

[redpoppy]

Originally Posted by dualityno31

Swim recently has been chillin with his African American buddies, and asked bout some acid. They say blacks dont do acid, its soley a "rocker" drug. I was wondering if this was true, even though i here many rappers use psychedelics to the contrary. Any thoughts?

WHen I hear bizarre questions like this it makes me want to beat people. Don't know why.

Of course some social subcultures have a predisposition to try certain drugs just as they may have a tendency to wear certain clothes or listen to certain types of music. BUt subcultures are not defined by the colour of someone's skin. It's as ridiculous as asking whether blacks listen to rock music.

[mseerob]

Originally Posted by redpoppy

Of course some social subcultures have a predisposition to try certain drugs just as they may have a tendency to wear certain clothes or listen to certain types of music. BUt subcultures are not defined by the colour of someone's skin. It's as ridiculous as asking whether blacks listen to rock music.

Swim totally agree.

Let swim tell you something. If swim came across another black person that did acid, swim wouldnt care at all, in fact swim would be extremely interested to know the effect that person had when he/she did acid. Swim is black and swim isnt trying to say that acid is only for rockers. If acid didnt cause HPPD or flashbacks, swim would surely be one of the black guys to of done acid numerous of times.