Something wrong:not liquid GBH but only salty water

[clikko]

hi,
SWIM tryed to follow MrG instruction creating GHB from GBL&NAOH but something is gone wrong....result is only clear salty water(taking 5 Ml had
no kind of effect).
Swim would like to know in what case GBL & NAOH produce only salty water,in other words what kind of mistake could be happened...and WHY this kind of risk is not underlined.

[raven3davis]

You need to be more specific.....what exactly did you do? With more info someone might have an answer for you. GHB does taste like salty water so you might have done everything right. You need to know how much your solution is diluted. 5ml could be a good dose but if it is heavily diluted, 5ml could be practically nothing.

SWIM needs to provide more info on the process so some chemical guru can lead you to the forest

[catfish_groid]

GBL and NaOH should be mixed in equimolar amounts
and final pH should be really close to 7

[oscar19681]

*Try carfully to increase the dose in order to find out it the substance is potent at all
*if potent only when dose is increased you could put it on a low flame and cook it some more since there is to much water still in the brew.
*how salt is it? Is the liquid thich or more watery? the fact that its salt and its clear is a good hint that the proses of chemistry itself has been done the right way and needs no more attention at the perspective accept maybe that there is to much water pressent in the brew
*last but not least the right way to produce potent ghb is : 120 ml gbl , 63 grams of natrium hydoxyde (pellets) 200 ml of distilled or deminaralised water(did you use tap-water?) put the gbl on a low flame untill some fumes are present (at this point you should have prepared the natrium in the water in a measuring cup) and at it to the gbl. Cook till you have left the starting measuredment of the gbl(120ml) At this point you have pure liquid ghb and then cook about 200 ml distilled water and add and measure it to about 200 ml. Then you should have some really potent ghb (about 200 ml). No need to measure ph you can taste a small amount on the finger(be carefull not to burn yourseld since is hot) If it burns add about 20 ml gbl when recooking the ghb untill it is salty again. Readd water if you have les then 200 ml.

[MrG]

SWIM originally made the same mistake when he first began his GHB experiments and he tells me to inform SWIY that they may be under the mistaken impression that a 5ml dose of GHB is the equivalent of dropping an E (One shot high).

SWIM believes that this is more to do with the BS Media(tm) constantly referring to GHB as so-called "liquid ecstasy".

To explain, pharma GHB (Xyrem) is given to Narcoleptics to improve the quality of their sleep and to therefore help them avoid daytime cataplexy. The dose given is, usually, in the region of 3.5-4.5g in order to knock 'em out and provide about 4 hours of quality sleep. After which they wake up and take a second dose in order to complete a good 8 hours of sleep.

Recreational GHB users attempt to avoid the heavy sedation by taking smaller, usually multiple, doses throughout the evening. This allows for a steady build up of the enjoyable effects.

Please note, however, that factors such as having recently eaten will affect how readily a dose is absorbed.

E.G. a 1.5g (7.5ml) dose of GHB on an empty stomach will usually give a slight feeling of intoxication, but the same dose following a large meal is unlikely to have much of an effect.

Body size and mass is also a factor. SWIM is a big (not fat though!) fella but his wife is considerably smaller so their dosing patterns are slightly different.

E.G. Their evening dosing is likely to be similar to this:

GHB dosing (liquid dose in brackets):

T:00:00 Him 1.5g (7.5ml)
Her 1.5g (7.5ml)

T:00:45 Him 1.2g (6ml)
Her 0.8g (4ml)

T:01:20 Him 1g (5ml)
Her 0.8g (4ml)

That is a fair representation of a three step dosing regimen. Depending on all the factors concerned and just how wankered they want to get then additional dosing later in the evening may be utilised but these three doses will at least allow them to be on a very very nice buzz.

Until SWIY has tested his batch with a similar approach it is unlikely he will be able to tell safely if it worked.

Word of advice though, if any user reaches the "whooshy" stage of their buzz then they are pretty much done dosing and any attempt to dose further will likely put them to sleep for a few hours. Don't be tempted to believe that, as with stimulants, you can keep dosing to keep going. Never forget what pharma GHB does!

Oh yeah, never do GHB with Alcohol or Benzo's - there may be people who claim that they enjoy being ever so clever with playing with that particular single bullet revolver but it is simply not fucking worth it.

[clikko]

well,SWIM followed this
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26198
It is what oscar19681 says but going little deeper.
Only difference is SWIM used HALF qty of products:60Ml GBL-31,5Gr NaOh,Etc...
The doubt is about temperature.MrG chapter 7 says to reach 150C°
for a few minutes but SWIM GBH went up till 180° even if removed from
kitchen hob at 153C°.
PH is about 7.5
Yesterday SWIM tryed with 7.5ML in a Diet Coke but nothing happened.
Chemical Guru please help

[clikko]

Sorry for the Reply.I posted it a few minutes later than MrG's reply....
Now I understand a little more.

[oscar19681]

Clickko using half the amount of gbl and stuff is not a problem but you must not forget that you must get about half the end product whicht is a about 100 to 120 ml of ghb . You could also double the amount of the chemicals used and you get double the amount of ghb.

[hh339]

Do you have to reach 150 C? Stan never did, and he was pretty wasted last night from only 10 ml's (2 grams) of homemade G.

He adds the NaOH (in water...) while it's still warm, in small portions to the GBL. No boiling, just reacting. Works fine.

[MrG]

To be honest 'H' there are various alternative techniques for inducing the reaction between the GBL and NaOH that don't necessarily call for the 150c. When SWIM was helping me fine tune the recipe he noted that people with labware and knowledge of what they were doing *could* employ different methods to get the reaction.

Unfortunately, not everybody has labware and, worse still, not everybody is entirely clued up enough to want to make the effort to understand the chemistry so it was deemed prudent to write a recipe that:

A) Allowed for the limitations of kitchenware and inexperience
and
B) Took a more scenic route to the end product in order to try and prevent the mistakes that were oft reported in this forum.

Raising the temp to 150c has proven, through trial and error of other methods, to be a very good way ensuring a *full* reaction, given the many variables concerned when it comes to different kitchens and different minds!

[hh339]

Originally Posted by MrG

To be honest 'H' there are various alternative techniques for inducing the reaction between the GBL and NaOH that don't necessarily call for the 150c. When SWIM was helping me fine tune the recipe he noted that people with labware and knowledge of what they were doing *could* employ different methods to get the reaction.

Unfortunately, not everybody has labware and, worse still, not everybody is entirely clued up enough to want to make the effort to understand the chemistry so it was deemed prudent to write a recipe that:

A) Allowed for the limitations of kitchenware and inexperience
and
B) Took a more scenic route to the end product in order to try and prevent the mistakes that were oft reported in this forum.

Raising the temp to 150c has proven, through trial and error of other methods, to be a very good way ensuring a *full* reaction, given the many variables concerned when it comes to different kitchens and different minds!

Sounds good to me G. Actually, Stan in fact tries to keep the temp low, not high

Anyway, everyone has their way of doing things.