please help swim with getting off tramadol

[someone111]

swim is addicted to tramadol and needs some help.... swim has an idea and wants to no if its a good idea to get off of the tramadol.... swim has heard valium can help a person get off a tramadol addiction.... (by the way swim also has a perscription to tramadol so swim gets them for free)..... swim will ask his doctor if he can switch to vicodin and trade the vicodin on the street for valium (swim knows a person who will trade valium for vicodin).... if anyone has a better idea please let me know, swim realy needs to get off the tramadol he takes 20 or more a day now and doesnt want to od..... please any ideas will help

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim doesn't know what tramadol addiction is like,it's not a true opiate but he would assume tramadol withdrawal is similar to opiate withdrawal.Perhaps easier to deal with?Not sure how long it lasts.If swiy is addicted to tramadol then swim is sure vicodon(hydrocodone and acetaminophen)would be as addictive if not more.That would just be switching to an addiction that is much more harmful due to the acetaminophen.

And if swiy told his doctor he was trying to quit tramadol then his doctor would probably help him taper off and most likely give him some sort of benzodiazepine.Swiy would not need to trade the vicodin(hydrocodone and acetaminophen for valium(diazepam) in that case.

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

Swim doesn't know what tramadol addiction is like,it's not a true opiate but he would assume tramadol withdrawal is similar to opiate withdrawal.Perhaps easier to deal with?Not sure how long it lasts.If swiy is addicted to tramadol then swim is sure vicodon(hydrocodone and acetaminophen)would be as addictive if not more.That would just be switching to an addiction that is much more harmful due to the acetaminophen.

And if swiy told his doctor he was trying to quit tramadol then his doctor would probably help him taper off and most likely give him some sort of benzodiazepine.Swiy would not need to trade the vicodin(hydrocodone and acetaminophen for valium(diazepam) in that case.

swims went throughit but he is guessing it isnt as bad as heroin from what ive read with heroin tramadol is a peice of cake to get through atleat it was for swim was taking it everyday for a long time after a car accident then decided to quit it was pretty bad for about a week than it was over

[someone111]

swim is trying to hide his addiction for many reason (long story).... so telling his doctor is out of the question..... whats a way i could possibly get a persciption to valium

[someone111]

and swim is not planing on takin the vicodin just trading them for valium.... swim just realy wants to get off these tramadols bad

[someone111]

swim has been addicted to tramadol for 2 years

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim doubts it's like h or any really powerful opiate.What goes on between swiy and his doctor is confidential,swiy's doctor will not tell swiy's family or anything if swiy is worried about that.

If swiy wants valium(diazepam)or any other benzodiazepine they might be able to say to their doctor they are having very serious problems with anxiety or panic attacks or having difficultly sleeping.Not sure if swiy will get a benzodiazepine just for insomnia.If swiy says anxiety is keeping them awake then it is very likely they will get a benzodiazepine though.

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

Swim doubts it's like h or any really powerful opiate.What goes on between swiy and his doctor is confidential,swiy's doctor will not tell swiy's family or anything if swiy is worried about that.

If swiy wants valium(diazepam)or any other benzodiazepine they might be able to say to their doctor they are having very serious problems with anxiety or panic attacks or having difficultly sleeping.Not sure if swiy will get a benzodiazepine just for insomnia.If swiy says anxiety is keeping them awake then it is very likely they will get a benzodiazepine though.

this is true swim went to the doctor told him he was having bad anxiety the doctor ask if he had ever been on valium or maybe its was vicoden he cant remember which or xanax and the doctor gave him xanax

[someone111]

swim is even high on tramadol as he speaks now..... he took 24 pills about 5 hours ago

[someone111]

what systems does swim describe to his doctor for anxiety because he dont know nothin about it

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Thats pretty easy.Just tell them swiy is very edgy and nervous,can't sit still or relax,has lots of confused and rushing thoughts and is unable to sleep.

Swim doesn't see a complete need for this,as swim said anything that happens with swiy and their doctor is confidential.Doctors are for the most part understanding if swiy is worried about it.

When swim was dealing with opiate withdrawals his doctor did not judge him or anything.He simply gave swim some tranxene(clorazepate)and some rozerem(ramelteon)to help him sleep and told him he should perhaps go into some sort of therapy.

[someone111]

symptoms***

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by someone111

symptoms***

just tell him u get really nervous at random times start to sweet and or shake and it happens all the time

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Symptoms?Anxiety is not a virus.As swim said constant restlesness,difficulty sleeping,depressing or uncomfortable thoughts constantly spinning in swiy's head are the symptoms of anxiety.

[someone111]

alright swim will be goin to the doctor soon.... another thing is swim gets real bad migrains, would benzos make them worse or take them away (just wondering)

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim also has a problem with migraines.And when swim will go into withdrawal from opiates one of the main things that would make it so difficult is he will usually get these very painful and very powerful migraines.So this could be compared to withdrawal from tramadol if it happens when swiy doesn't have tramadol.Not at all sure what effect benzodiazepines would have on swiy's migraines.

[someone111]

ok thanks for all the help.... ill post on this thread in a few days to tell you if i got the persciption of not

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by someone111

ok thanks for all the help.... ill post on this thread in a few days to tell you if i got the persciption of not

u will probably have real bad headaches for a week or 2 after u stop using and stomaches and feel like complete shit without the tramadol

[someone111]

i take amitriptyline (elavil), topamax, and imitrex for my migrains... will that stop the headaches during withdrawl