Drug info - The Legal Aspects of Ordering Benzodiazepines Online

[apiffini]

Swim has seen sites that are selling xanax, ativan, valium etc with no prescription. Swim is wondering if he orders some will it make it to his house or will it be seized.

[Jatelka]

What is it with this rash of threads about online pharmacies?

Merged

Please take the time to read through the preceeding posts: There's some good advice here (which, no doubt, could easily have been found by UTFSE)

[Joe-(5-HTP)]

Swim is in the UK and found this information on a website:

"Legal status:
Benzodiazepines are prescription-only medicines and class C controlled drugs (Schedule 4), except temazepam, which was moved to Schedule 3 on 15 January 1996. This means they can be possessed in medicinal form without a prescription but it is an offence to supply them to others. All benzodiazepines carry the same penalties, as listed below."
(http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical...diazepines.htm)

Is this correct? If so, swim assumes there is no risk of being arrested for ordering a small pack of medical diazepam online.

[tyranny4u]

Is this correct? If so, swim assumes there is no risk of being arrested for ordering a small pack of medical diazepam online.

SWIM assumes possessing without a prescription is not the same as obtaining
without prescription. SWIM don't know the law in your country, but here there
is this difference. besides of that you might break the law by simply im-
porting scheduled substances to your country. SWIM tells you, it is illegal.
if you will be arrested or just pay some fine, SWIM doesn't know...in any case
your stuff will be confiscated and they don't give you back the money.

[Joe-(5-HTP)]

Originally Posted by tyranny4u

SWIM assumes possessing without a prescription is not the same as obtaining
without prescription. SWIM don't know the law in your country, but here there
is this difference. besides of that you might break the law by simply im-
porting scheduled substances to your country. SWIM tells you, it is illegal.
if you will be arrested or just pay some fine, SWIM doesn't know...in any case
your stuff will be confiscated and they don't give you back the money.

Can anyone knowledgeable of UK law confirm this? I am sure it is right but kinda wish it wasn't

[tyranny4u]

SWIM has bought lots of benzos online, and it needed - he was an ab-
solute newb on that - half a year for him to get to the real sources.
SWIM only can warn you: take good care when ordering from online
pharmacies who accept credit cards. don't believe a site is legit if
any scheduled substances like amphetamines or opiates are on their list.
if the source is a good source than the packaging will be good, too.
well, depends on the customs where you live. SWIM can't write more about
this here and please don't PM SWIM, SWIM won't reply.
BTW: don't order from mexico, peru, chile, nicaragua.

[anonomatt]

important thread!

I'm in the complete same boat wondering where it is best to order, and I imagine there are thousands others wondering the same. I understand perfectly the reasons why requesting and supplying sources is against the rules, but i think it could be such a valuable part of the forum and there has to be a way where it can be done, if it is done well.

SWIM is in a situation now where they've been looking for a decent online pharmacy for 8 hours today, going through review site after review site and forum after forum and all the recommendations are marketing related. It is very difficult to tell what is good. They don't know anyone who has ordered online and are running out of places to ask. I thought a great, reputable forum like this would be able to steer them in the right direction, which is why I've come and registered. I'm sure there are many others in similar positions.

Is there some way to help out us unfortunate souls or at least steer us in the right direction of where to look for recommendations?

What you guys think? Am i way off or could there be a solution here?

[Herbal Healer 019]

These reliable cheap online (relatively) benzodiazapine ordering pharmacies are EXTREMELY easy to find if 1 knows where to look. Some1 Who Aproached Me informed me that in the begining he was in the same position & had'nt the slightlest clue where to look & the 1's he did find looked sketch.

Thats really as far as the convo can go...source discussion of any kind, especially when it comes to illegal scheduled prescription medications is stricly against the rules and jeapordizes this forum & possibly it's inadvertantly self incriminating members.

Honestly Some1 Who Aint Me thinks its a good idea most people cant find these legit sources otherwise they'd all be evetually shut down/raided.

So if Some1 Who Aint YOU is lucky enough to find 1, SWAM's advice is to keep it a secret, use it to their advantage, and stock up b4 they (the provider) are busted

Sometimes it's depends on the people you know and other times it depends on knowledge in finding reliable sources

Good luck & dont fuck it up for those lucky SWIMMERs taking advantage of this phenomina

[dwhitty76]

After reading the rules in this forum i will not mention any vendors.

Swim has about a 4 -6mg xanax habit and based on u.s street value that is costly (XXX).

Swim has looked into some of these online vendors and the prices are significantly cheaper but i was wondering if any other swimmers have had any experience w/ these (non specific) vendors.

Swim has two concerns.

1. being ripped off,there are lots of scammers out there and how would one differentiate a scammer from a friendly vendor.

2.Legal issues. No prescription needed? Would this "potentially" be a "hypothetical" high risk transaction that could incriminate someone.

the flip side of the coin...if he found a good vendor he could save $300 a month....with the economy the way it is,every penny counts.

I was just wondering if any swimmers have had any experience w/ these vendors or simply have advice. -much thanx

Reputation Comments on this post:

Prices are against the rules. Please read them again

[old hippie 56]

Last year a fellow in swim hometown ordered online some benzos, since it was ordered out of country, customs had a look and see. They notified the local cops about the pills, they waited till he picked them up at the post office(never sign for nothing) then busted him outside on a traffic warrant. Now he serving 3-5 yrs in a federal joint. Might want to read the thread on this that is in this section.

[Jatelka]

I have checked the Misuse of Drugs Act Joe

Benzodiazepines (NOT just Temazepam) and Barbiturates are Class C: Penalties for possession are up to 2 years in jail/unlimited fine or both. Penalties for dealing are up to 14 years in jail/unlimited fine or both

For those that are interested the list of drugs currently controlled in the UK is here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...tid=15&id=4964

[ConcertaXL]

Originally Posted by Jatelka

I have checked the Misuse of Drugs Act Joe

Benzodiazepines (NOT just Temazepam) and Barbiturates are Class C: Penalties for possession are up to 2 years in jail/unlimited fine or both. Penalties for dealing are up to 14 years in jail/unlimited fine or both

For those that are interested the list of drugs currently controlled in the UK is here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...tid=15&id=4964

Jatelka, any 5-5 disubstituted barbituric acid including Tuinal, Seconal, Soneryl, Amytal and phenobarbitone/ allylbarbitone/ talbutal is class B. Sorry to correct a moderator but they are depended on for true information. If you "check the Misuse of Drugs Act" be sure to use the official website of the Government as others can have mistakes or be outdated. For example some continue to state cannabis is class C while at least two mention the totally non-controlled cyclizine being Class A (one would suggest because they read about the mighty Diconal and thought both ingredients must be class A, not just the dipipanone.)

Joe was not disputing the Class of benzos but rather the Schedule which is higher for flunitrazepam, midazolam and temazepam (3) than all others (4) because of specific misuse issues for these benzos. This makes a difference because until the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 2001 came into force it was not an offence to possess Schedule 4 substances without prescription provided they are in the form of a medicinal product. (e.g. not a 5 kg bulk drum of pure diazepam.) Now, this Schedule is split into 4B (steroids and hormones) which can be possessed legally by anyone and 4A (all other sch 4 drugs- including all sch 4 benzos) which are illegal to possess without authority.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Correcting Mods is encouraged here. Misinformation is a Curse
	good job, this is quite excelent info and it settles some earlier q's in the post
	Thanks for finding out the facts XL. It just goes to show, Moderators are human after all..Thank god.

[davestate]

Originally Posted by ConcertaXL

Jatelka, any 5-5 disubstituted barbituric acid including Tuinal, Seconal, Soneryl, Amytal and phenobarbitone/ allylbarbitone/ talbutal is class B. Sorry to correct a moderator but they are depended on for true information. If you "check the Misuse of Drugs Act" be sure to use the official website of the Government as others can have mistakes or be outdated. For example some continue to state cannabis is class C while at least two mention the totally non-controlled cyclizine being Class A (one would suggest because they read about the mighty Diconal and thought both ingredients must be class A, not just the dipipanone.)

Joe was not disputing the Class of benzos but rather the Schedule which is higher for flunitrazepam, midazolam and temazepam (3) than all others (4) because of specific misuse issues for these benzos. This makes a difference because until the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 2001 came into force it was not an offence to possess Schedule 4 substances without prescription provided they are in the form of a medicinal product. (e.g. not a 5 kg bulk drum of pure diazepam.) Now, this Schedule is split into 4B (steroids and hormones) which can be possessed legally by anyone and 4A (all other sch 4 drugs- including all sch 4 benzos) which are illegal to possess without authority.

Nice one XL

Just an update for all you american customers:


The Ryan Haight Online Pharmacy Consumer Protection Act of 2008 was signed by George W. Bush on Oct. 15th, 2008 and went into effect on April 13th, 2009..

The act states: Federal law now requires that you must have an in-person (face-to-face) medical evaluation with the prescribing physician who will verify and document your current condition for which you are receiving or requesting treatment for.

It will be illegal for any patient to obtain and any physician to prescribe controlled medications via the internet alone. There are no exceptions to this rule. All patients will be required to be seen in-office for a complete physical exam and medical evaluations before being prescribed any controlled medication(s).

So nope, none of it's legal...NROP or IOP pharmacys are the only option (NROP stands for no records online pharmacy and IOP is internet only pharmacy)

Here's a complete PDF of the bill

[apiffini]

Does anyone know about the Legality of all this in CANADA?

for informational purposes of course

[Jatelka]

Benzodiazepines and Barbiturates are Schedule IV in Canada. I'm finding the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act for this country rather confusing.

It seems to suggest theat simple posession of schedule iv substances is not an offence, but seeking to acquire them, or importing them is. Penalties for this depend on whether it is tried as an indictable offence or a summary conviction

Quite frankly I got a little lost after this and gave up

[apiffini]

^i feel the same way every time I try looking up the legality for any drug here

[jon-q]

Originally Posted by apiffini

^i feel the same way every time I try looking up the legality for any drug here

The drug laws in Canada are slightly confusing, should any peeps want to try and untangle/decipher these regulations? This website provides a fairly simple to follow guide to “The Drugs and Substances Act”
You will need to copy and paste the link into your address bar, then add an "h" to make the link active.(Government link an all)
ttp://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showtdm/cs/C-38.8///en
Q

[yaba]

OK my dog has ordered from an on line vendor (well research) for the first time and also the last. His mum send him some temazepam once from The Netherlands and it arrived without any problems, except some of the gel caps were broken.

The reason he ordered it is that there are certain benzo's my dog wants to try and he can't get them over here.. And he had to try it at least ones before he dies !

Also it gets send from the same Continent so its fairly safe.. (my dog wouldn't like to get anything send from Colombia or other high risk country's)
Funny to say that when his mum send him temazepam from The Netherlands, but my dog was very desperate at the time !

[fizzle]

SWIM used to purchase a lot of benzos over the internet when legit pharmacies were relatively abundant (almost two years ago). He recieved countless orders succesfully and saved quite a bit of money.

However . . .

He got two customs letters over maybe a 1 year period. No legal ramifications to speak of. However, SWIM is sure his information is in some database somewhere. After that second letter from customs, he stopped ordering completely and although he has thought about trying it again, he just cannot justify doing this, as the consequences are way too harsh and he is getting too old. It is risky business. One of his friends got caught for doing the same thing (though he was a jackass and ordered 100s of pills at a time). It is not recommended at all, but SWIM is not your mother.

[tyranny4u]

yes, the tyrant is quit new to this forum. but please allow him to ask the
question if this thread couldn't be closed?
there are forums where one could ask and discuss about IOP's / online OP's
and tt feels this is the wrong place.
see, keeping this thread open would lead to postings like "i got that much
gador's 2mg from this or that country ordered successfully" and so on...

[DopinDan]

SWIM's parakeet can't give sources, SWIM tries his best to follow the rules of the forum here.

Sources have been significantly reduced in recent years. With the DEA war on prescription painkillers, and pain managment doctors in the USA, many of the ROPs were put out of business.

There are practically no NROPs left in the US.

There are some IOPs left,.

But there's no way for you to find out sources here unless you become a gold member.

As a poster above mentioned, best bet is to google for forums that supply sources, they are out there.

[CGC503]

Trust me the sources are out there, you just never know if you can trust the source, muchless the pills.

[Laudaphun]

I think this thread should just be closed... It's gonna be a thing of the past just like so many other things.... and just another event on the drug timeline. This borders a source discussion and that's teetering dangerously close to violoaton of the rules. Perhaps, discussing the legality of potential consequences could be a place to continue this discussion. But in the law and order forum, not the benzo thread. Actually, it will still show up in searches and SWIM will put tags on it right this moment to make certain. SWIM's vote is to just move the entire thread to the law and order thread which lets the matter being discussed in the only way that it really should according to the rules of the site. The conversation has been pretty conservative, but to SWIM, it would look better if it was not in the benzo thread. That make sense? SWIM is tired and needs sleep but has to get up and eat for family outing.

[Dickon]

When and if I become a Gold Member I shall post a tutorial on this in the sources forum, assuming someone else hasn't done a better job. For now let me say in the most general terms, do your due diligence in two ways. Remember: a) Con men are real. b) Benzodiazepines are addictive and are seldom useful medically for anything but short term use. The word "rebound" springs to mind. They are not very euphoric, and are generally best avoided. The withdrawals can last months and even years in some extreme cases. People used to heroin and methadone quail in terror at the thought of a full-blown benzodiazepine withdrawal. That said, addiction does take some time to establish itself, and often the dangers are overdramatized. However it is always better to be safe than sorry and avoid using this class of drugs on a long term basis.