Drug info - The Legal Aspects of Ordering Benzodiazepines Online

[raven3davis]

If you can buy it in real life, you can probably buy it on the internet.....somewhere...from someone, who may or may not be trustworthy. Its a gamble you take but there is always a gamble in gray area markets as such.

[slingshot]

SWIM has heard of lots of people being ripped off. Try searching for online pharmacy reviews...but even then its a bad idea.

[tyranny4u]

the other way: some nice guys start an IOP, they are fast, have decent
prices, best packaging and accept credit cards. Why do these guys
one day get scammers? because of that f*cking lot of people doing CC
chargeback after receiving their gadors and customers are ripping off the IOP.
that's one of the reasons, why the best places disappeared within the last
years.

[lulz]

A note for people in the UK who are concerned about the legality of ordering benzos online:

While it is not without risk, it is a fairly safe country as long as you are ordering small amounts for personal use. The reason is that benzos (with the exception of temazepam) fall under a medical act, not a drugs act - *unless* there is evidence that the person has intent to supply. Possessing a small amount of benzos is technically an offense, but it is rarely prosecuted. Ordering 500 pills on the other hand, and you will quite probably be fucked as much as you would ordering any other controlled substance.

Ironically I'm not sure if this is the exact same in Ireland, but it probably is seeing as we copy most UK legislation word for word.

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Thanks a lot for that information

[jcdjinn]

The pharmaceutical companies definately have lobbyists who persuade congress to support the war on drugs. This forces us to only buy what they produce, which is also why the US pharm corporations charge such insanely high prices because we have no other choice. That's also a contributing factor to marijuana prohibition since people would use it for medicinal purposes more frequently if legalized and the companys can't put a paten on a plant.

[wearestardust]

In fact there are many legit places to get benzos w/o script. Depending where you live, legalities vary; some countries allow import of a 90-day supply. And don't believe most of the scare stories; most of these e-mail vendors sell nothing but the best.
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[Paroxysm]

Hi there, first of all, swim would like to state he is in no way trying to get supplier names/ prices from this thread, but for informational purposes only.

Swim has been doing some research on benzo's (namely xanax) and had come across several websites that claim to sell them. He found this odd. Swim does not know much about pharmacology, but he thought it would be illegal to sell benzo's without a medical proffessional's prescription. Swim was wondering if these type's of websites are legit? Can pharmaceutical companies actually sell these types of drugs online (including pain killers too like oxycodone, tramadol, etc.)?

[Panthers007]

Those sites are an invitation for either a visit by men in shiny black shoes. Or being ripped off. Some may actually work. Most are rip-offs (and as SWIM would be breaking the law - he'd have no recourse but to suck it up), and SWIM would be inviting legal trouble.

Don't, SWIM. SWIM could even wind-up with counterfeit pills with unknown ingredients. Perhaps some country is trying to find a way to get rid of it's toxic-waste.

[Lobsang]

Well you can order those things from other countries. But it is highly illegal and if one gets caught they may be in big trouble. It is not worth is. And as stated one may not be getting what they asked for. Some internet pharmacies have their own physicians that will prescribe for people based on a submitted case history. But I seriously doubt one is going to see something like Xanax or Oxy. The physician would lose their license.

Now a number of years ago there was this guy who lived close to the Mexican boarder. One could submit a case history to him and he would take it to a cooperative Mexican doctor in Mexico. The physician would write the script and he would fill it at a mexican pharmacy and bring it back in labled bottles across the boarder. I forget which prison the guy is in at present. It did not last long. But for non scheduled drugs like anti biotics, pain meds and other things one can order them from legit Mexican pharmacies without a script with little fear of problem. Even though there are differing opinions as to the legality of it.

And as far as scheduled drugs some people are prosecuted and others just have the drugs confiscated with nothing said. Others get a warning letter and are put on a list. But never order scheduled drugs from other countries. It is way to dangerous. And if any SWIMMER makes the judgement error of doing this never sighn for a package or pick it up at the post office God forbid.

[Panthers007]

I beg to disagree. Bongo had ordered propanolol from a foreign outlet. British manufacture. This is a beta-blocker for blood-pressure - and a million other things. Trade name being Inderal. A postal worker called up Bongo and DEMANDED he come to the post-office and sign for it. Bongo said to simply re-deliver if he was out. He was told no way. "YOU come HERE!"

The state senators where Bongo lives had told everyone to break the pharmaceutical connection with the Bush Regime by getting their medication from the cheapest sources available. The costs of prescription drugs had gone through the rafters following Bush being appointed president. And Bush had received millions from these corporations to support his "campaigns." Where Bongo stood - it was legal.

But a post-office is NOT in one's state. It is Federal Territory. Bongo would have been arrested under Federal Law if he went there and signed. It was clearly a set-up. His attorney agreed.

Result: Bongo had to go cold-turkey off blood-pressure meds, had severe chest pains. Ended up in a hospital.

[Lobsang]

Well Bong must have had some bad luck. Because in general the feds are known not to bother to much with non controlled drugs. I am very suprised that this happened with a beta blocker. I have known it to happen with controlled drugs. Pharmacies in Canada and Mexico ship thousands of drugs every day to the USA with little problem. In fact I know one Mexican pharmacy that is reputable that actually has an office in the USA where you send your check. Then when the check clears they tell Mexico to sent the shipment. So I am really very suprised at Bogo's bad luck.

[GForce]

To clarify a few things that weren't definitively answered on this thread...

You can't get busted for having something shipped to you. If you accept delivery of the package then its an entirely different situation because you are acknowledging you were expecting it and know what is inside. I've never heard of a situation of something getting caught in customs, especially a small amount for a single person, and then police organizing a sting on the person expecting the package just to arrest them and charge them. Yes the war on drugs pays police, but arresting one person is small-time and marginal to them. And as I mentioned you can't be busted for having something shipped to you for the simple fact that there is no proof that you knew what was in the package or even knew there was a package being sent to you. If you could, I could hypothetically ship something illegal to anyone to frame them and there would be no question to their guilt to authorities. You aren't responsible for what other people send to you in the mail until it legally becomes yours.

The reality is that if customs catches something that shouldn't be there, they dispose of the package. I would estimate 9/10 times they don't catch anything because of the sheer volume of post coming into the United States. I know for a fact that they randomly select packages for screening, they don't screen each and every single piece of mail. For this reason, many overseas pharmacies mail their products in blister packs inside of padded envelopes so that it looks like an ordinary document being sent along with thousands of others.

There are websites out there designed to catch people trying to order from pharmacies online, and this is what I would say is the biggest risk in regards to getting caught by a trap. All I can say is make sure you research your sources extensively. Do not purchase from any website that you haven't read a genuine testimonial about (the ones on their website don't count). There are forums on the vast internet that discuss, specifically, online pharmacies and that is the best place to get information on reliable sources.

Beyond that, if SWIY wants to order pharmaceuticals online, they have to figure the rest out on their own. I provided what I knew about the situation, but I am not suggesting SWIY buys medication online. Use this information as SWIY sees fit.

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it is thorough and very good advice and helpful

[Zaprenz]

Originally Posted by GForce

You can't get busted for having something shipped to you. If you accept delivery of the package then its an entirely different situation because you are acknowledging you were expecting it and know what is inside. I've never heard of a situation of something getting caught in customs, especially a small amount for a single person, and then police organizing a sting on the person expecting the package just to arrest them and charge them. Yes the war on drugs pays police, but arresting one person is small-time and marginal to them. And as I mentioned you can't be busted for having something shipped to you for the simple fact that there is no proof that you knew what was in the package or even knew there was a package being sent to you. If you could, I could hypothetically ship something illegal to anyone to frame them and there would be no question to their guilt to authorities. You aren't responsible for what other people send to you in the mail until it legally becomes yours.

This would be true if most websites selling such products didn't require online purchases using cards. In fact SWIM wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the packages stopped are actually part tracked through tracing the online payments.

Being sent an unknown package is one thing, being sent an "unknown" package having paid for it using a card registered in ones name & ordered via an IP address tracked to the same address is another.

Some countries there are no laws regulating import. However in certain countries there are explicit rules regarding such imports if one actually looks in detail. Agreed it may mean it's too much hassle in most cases to prosecute (that doesn't mean it's legal though nor exempt from prosecution if they have a good reason or incentive).

[dark12]

What about the possibility of an online pharmacy that is DEA run?

[Lobsang]

Originally Posted by dark12

What about the possibility of an online pharmacy that is DEA run?

Well I think it is unlikely. However not to long ago SWIM found a website that was selling all kinds of highly illegal research chemicals. And then SWIM found out that no one who ordered in fact got their order. The website appeared long after the chemicals were made illegal. So SWIM was very suspicious of this whole thing. Very suspicious indeed.

[GForce]

Don't be the first swimmer to try the website out. That's just stupid. Find reviews.

[drug-bot]

swims boy ordered 50 1mg klonopins from an online pharm located in either indonesia or the philopines and got the stuff without a hitch, so its possible to get benzos online (-script) if u know where to look.
benzos are schedule 4 in the u.s so even if you got caught you proberly wouldnt go to jail if you were ordering a personal amount, they'd more than likely just be confiscated.

[Lobsang]

Originally Posted by drug-bot

swims boy ordered 50 1mg klonopins from an online pharm located in either indonesia or the philopines and got the stuff without a hitch, so its possible to get benzos online (-script) if u know where to look.
benzos are schedule 4 in the u.s so even if you got caught you proberly wouldnt go to jail if you were ordering a personal amount, they'd more than likely just be confiscated.

Well yes. But one needs to be careful because with smaller online pharmacies in far away places fake drugs are common. More so than most people think. So one is taking a chance in that manner. SWIM used to have a mambership to a forum where people rated pharmacies years ago. So that helps. But fake drugs are commonplace with on line pharmacies in far away lands.

[snow_queen]

swim has had experience with online pharmacies. swim was looking for adderall and they were "out" so she had to settle for Ritalin, which of course they charge an arm and a leg for. Membership fee, shipping fee, etc....not worth the 20 pills. They were shipped from Pakistan, of all places.

Luckily, what swim received seemed to be legit and served the intended purpose, however swim has seen too many news reports/segments about these online "pharmacies" and the ingredients they really put in these pills. From plaster to other foreign substances, many times these pills are not what they appear...and there is nothing the receiver can do to get their money back...that is if they are still alive after ingesting these "pills". One has to be concerned about their health and what they are ingesting.

Swim's friend might recommend that swiyou consider "seeing" a psychaitrist...saying swiyou have been having a long history of horrible anxiety problems that might require benzos as a treatment. It might cost more up front, but in the long run, it would provide swiyou with a legit, legal prescription that will assure swiyou will be receiving the correct benzo...with no fillers.

Plus swiyou will not have unwanted monthly charges on your credit card and most importantly...piece of mind. Swim's friend has had much success with this suggested method of aquiring perscriptions.

Of course, neither I, nor swim, would endorse or recommend any manipulation of ailments or prescriptions.

[Solinari]

I would like to point out that oxycodone (and alike) and high minimum orders with high shipping charges are thee number one weapon of the scammer. There are legit pharmacies out there that reply on repeat business and they will send what is ordered and it will generally be good quality. Of these legit pharmacies i have seen NONE that sell the likes of oxycodone, they sell tramadol and codeine with paracetamol etc. I have seen some that even sell buprenorphine injections and other partial agonist/antagonist opioids, but none sell potent opioid agonists.

[yaba]

Have said it before, there are forums out dedicated to this kind of thing.. People usually get LL (love letters) if the order is confiscated and no furter action is taken. Swim knows one online vendor operating from Panama who will reship a order ones with proof of confiscating (LL) letter.

If someone does research on those forums, they could find quit a bit. Oxycodone, hydrocodone, morphine etc.. Would be very hard or nearly impossible.

[Lobsang]

Yeah...The authorities take things like oxy and morphine seriously. They will take action. There was a guy selling morphine over the internet. He charged a fee to take your medical history and take the history to a doctor in Mexico. The doctor would write the prescription and the guy would fill it in Mexico and bring the labled bottles across the boarder and then mail them to you. He was shut down quickly.

But what I have heard and I do not know if it is true. Is that when you get one of these "love letters" confiscating drugs that onces name is put in a database and if there are future transgressions then action may well happen. But I do not know all the facts. I think someone said that if your name is in the database then if a package looks questionable they enter the name on the package into the computer and see if it comes up. Then they are more apt to search the package. But I have no verification of this.

[yaba]

Originally Posted by Lobsang

But what I have heard and I do not know if it is true. Is that when you get one of these "love letters" confiscating drugs that onces name is put in a database and if there are future transgressions then action may well happen. But I do not know all the facts. I think someone said that if your name is in the database then if a package looks questionable they enter the name on the package into the computer and see if it comes up. Then they are more apt to search the package. But I have no verification of this.

Not sure about that one but wouldn't suprise me. Also swim thinks UK/EU better then US to get meds in the post. The company who sends a second order doesn't send anything to the US anymore, due to high cofiscating rate. Apparently the second order does have a reasonable chance to make it true.

[gmeziscool2354]

I've done some research into the laws of the us DEA before on several occasions for accademic and personal interests.

The way that many online pharmacies that have scheduled drugs work is completely illegal, but it is some what of a loop hole. They are vendors who legally purchase these drugs in countries where they can be purchased in bulk quantities. These companies pay people in the states a premium rate and give them instructions on how to keep best not get the medication confiscated. I'm not exactly sure how they do this. i blelieve reading that they send the packages from imaginary adresses. They definitely have a complex system that delivers the drugs to the set address. That part is illegal but its really hard to catch. also, the companies are completely based overseas, so the owners cannot really be prosecuted. Its not worth it for the countries to expedite them to US authorities for the amount of shit they are selling anyway. As said before, the operations are completely legit in their host nations

One has heard that these companies are usually very reliable, but quite pricey.

There are also american companies that sell unscheduled prescription drugs over the internet with out prescriptions. They are also 100% legal. Some one would recommend using these sites unless one has a serious habit, since they are cheaper and there is no risk of a package getting seized.

[Mrxanaxs]

Swims little cat recently placed an order for 90 2mg generic bars and recieved them within 2 and half weeks. Just do some research....and swims little cat does not have a script.