Eating food while on poppy tea

[baron samedi]

Can anyone tell SWIM whether eating food (or drinking tea/milk) diminishes the effects of poppy tea/poppy grounds?
He read once that eating will kill the effect of opiates, but has also heard of people getting the munchies from them.
From his experience, he often feels like eating or drinking tea after doing poppies but is scared of diminishing the effects.

[rxbandit]

poppy tea is fairly powerful and real cheap. In swims experience he normally loses his appetite entirely, if not from the opiate effect from the revolting smell and taste of poppy tea. but swim has eaten a good bit of food on other opiates such as morphine and reports it does not diminish the effects much but it does however prove inconvenient when your body wants to rid itself of waste and your bowels are locked up by the opiates. If alot of food is consumed this can be slightly painful.

[baron samedi]

SWIM doesn't know if he's doing it wrong but the poppy tea he makes (steeped twice for about 15 minutes each time) doesn't actually smell or taste that bad. Just like stewed water with a bit of a planty tinge. Nothing like as bad as kratom or sinicuichi, for example. He thinks he may be doing something different to some people.

[rxbandit]

hmm swim usually puts two to three dried poppys into a blender or coffee grinder until they are powder. Then adds it to hot water, heats 30 minutes in a rice cooker water bath, strains into another cup. adds more water and repeats two more times. It usually appears a very milky consistency and taste absolutely horrible. It's quite strong though.

[baron samedi]

Yeah, its probably because SWIY heats the tea, whereas SWIM just steeps it a la normal tea. He'd have to say his tea works though albeit with more pods. Personally, he prefers just to neck the plant material raw, disgusting but effective.

[Akkijee]

Hi

SWIM told me he has never found eating or drinking to dimish the effects of poppy tea. If its a good tea though, eating food has often resulted in him being sick not long after Still, this is with a good tea... and once it's over it's over so he can get back to enjoying it.
He does find himself getting hungry on poppy tea, but this is probably more due to him just not eating for a long time rather than any kind of munchies.

[weekender2]

SWIM finds that eating anything while on poppy tea is a waste, since it all comes up anyway. He finds it quite hard on the stomach, harder than any other opiate/opioid. So much so in fact that he's stopped its use, except in direst emergency.

Pax,
Weekender

[keats]

SWIM finds drinking tea on an empty stomach does seem to hit harder, but eating while feeling the effects won't lessen them. Poppy tea lasts quite a while, and abstaining from food for the duration will probably do more harm than good. That being said it will constipate you for a while, so don't stuff yourself.

[Alicia]

drinking tea, swia avoids food due to the cramps she gets from it she never feels the need to eat before hand she can even suggest that it even be taken on a empty stomach it reduces nausea.

[baron samedi]

Yes, SWIMs hunger pangs are probably just the natural result of not eating. Personally, he doesn't get much nausea from poppies unless he overdoes it with pot or tobacco. Guess you should eat if your stomach's telling you to, regardless.

[Hard Rain]

Lately, SWIM has become violently ill from poppy tea -- projectile vomiting, severe stomach cramps and a blinding headache.

This has happened from two different batches of poppy heads, so SWIM assumes it's not just a case of a bad batch.

SWIM is guessing that 1) SWIM is dosing too high-SWIM typically uses 7 medium-small poppy heads to 2 cups of water, or 2) SWIM is sensitive/allergic to one of the alkaloids in the dried poppy heads.

1) seems unlikely, as SWIM doesn't have any other overdose symptoms (tight throat, itchiness, etc.) and SWIM has a high opiate tolerance -- when not using tea, SWIM takes about 100 mg oxy or 150 ms contin daily.

Any suggestions (additional filtration, etc.) that could solve SWIM's problem and allow SWIM to enjoy tea again?

Thanks much in advance for helping SWIM.

[samuraigecko]

SWIM (when he has made his tea's from CFO or laudanums from CFO) and even when smoking CFO always tends to get the munchies like he used to when he smoked weed. He knows that people normally loose their appetite when on opiates but this seems to be a paradoxical reversal effect for him. He has never noticed any difference in the high and has never brought the food back up either.

SWIM does agree that the liquids are best ingested on an empty stomach though for full and quicker effect. Sometimes people with IBS or just plain sickness from it HAVE to eat a little while before having the tea though, so that the stomach doesnt get cramps and nausia etc from it.

It is really up to what works for SWIY.

Hope this has been of help

[baron samedi]

SWIM thinks that SWIHard Rain should remember raw opium is essentially a poison, so perhaps this is why he gets adverse affects. SWIM's not sure if synthetic opioids are poisonous in the same way, plus O contains so many alkaloids there is more chance of finding one that disagrees with your body, SWIM supposes.
SWIM thinks now that eating doesn't really reduce the effects of poppies, but when you eat its even more enjoyable than usual.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by baron samedi

SWIM thinks that SWIHard Rain should remember raw opium is essentially a poison, so perhaps this is why he gets adverse affects. SWIM's not sure if synthetic opioids are poisonous in the same way, plus O contains so many alkaloids there is more chance of finding one that disagrees with your body, SWIM supposes.
SWIM thinks now that eating doesn't really reduce the effects of poppies, but when you eat its even more enjoyable than usual.

Raw opium is not a poison. It is a plant latex which contains a number of different alkaloids which work as a deterant and a poison for insects and animals. On the whole opium has a drug action in the human body rather than a poison action although poisoning can occur as it can with any drug or introduced substance. Of the alkaloids which opium contains (well over a hundred if SWIM remembers correctly) Only a handful of these are actually medically "active" alkaloids and the rest are considered to be inert to the human body except for a small few.

There are a few other alkaloids in raw opium which are non active but can still have an adverse effect on the stomach and hystemnic systems.

Of particular note are the oripavine and narcotine alkaloids. These are the most common culprits when it comes to opium sickness and in high quantities narcotine IS actually a poison. Through the use of acids during extraction these alkaloids can mostly be converted to inert opiate models while some will be converted to a more active form of the molecule.

In SWIMs guess, most cases of sickness come from the alkaloid narcotine and there are methods of removing narcotine selectively when making laudanums and ultimately (in theory) from CFO's.

When smoked narcotine is not as easily vaporized as other active alkaloids which is another reason why CFO is much better than raw opium or a tea.

Hope this has been of help

[mtndawg]

Swim also gets hunger pangs after CFO tea. Swim had some yesterday eve. and finished off a whole can of mixed nuts. Later had too much dinner (fried chicken livers, mashed potatoes, brussel sprouts) and became very miserable. Swim was unable to sleep because laying down made him feel extremely bloated. Opiates cause digestive system to almost shut down causing stomach to not manufacture food nearly as fast and the slow trip through the body causes constipation.

Swim has gotten one's self into this condition many times in past but as they say "Its hard to teach an old dog new tricks"

PEACE

[ncsponger]

SWIM generally uses 8-16 pods for a good potent tea. He steeps it in hot(not bubbling or boiling) water for 15-20 minutes and filters through one coffee filter. He finds that consuming the tea on an empty stomach helps to speed up the onset of effects. After swim is under the influence he normally gets the munchies worse than beer or pot gives him. He eats a ton and NEVER notices a decrease in effects compared to when he doesn't eat anything during the experience. By the way Swim has never found his teas to be nasty tasting, it's an aquired taste but nowhere near revolting. He actually likes the vegetative taste.

[samuraigecko]

SWIM does his best homer simpson impression "MMMMMM . . . . vegative"
LOL

[baron samedi]

Raw opium is not a poison. It is a plant latex which contains a number of different alkaloids which work as a deterant and a poison for insects and animals. On the whole opium has a drug action in the human body rather than a poison action although poisoning can occur as it can with any drug or introduced substance. Of the alkaloids which opium contains (well over a hundred if SWIM remembers correctly) Only a handful of these are actually medically "active" alkaloids and the rest are considered to be inert to the human body except for a small few

.

Apologies if SWIM's statement is misleading, maybe he should have said it contains poisons.

AFA eating food and poppies are concerned SWIM wonders if other opiates/opioids can actually increase appetite, as oppose to the common perception of the rake-thin heroin addict.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by baron samedi

Apologies if SWIM's statement is misleading, maybe he should have said it contains poisons.

AFA eating food and poppies are concerned SWIM wonders if other opiates/opioids can actually increase appetite, as oppose to the common perception of the rake-thin heroin addict.

no apologies needed, everyone is just after good info here and SWIwe were just both trying to be informative with the knowledge SWIwe have.

Definitely "contains" things which can be poisonous is the correct statement.

It seems from others posts that opiates quite indeed can increase appetite. SWIM has one friend whom unfortunately is an AIDS sufferer (even though he was an IV user, he contracted it from contaminated hospital blood funnily enough). He is now prescribed a number of medications, one of which is MScontin. He has 4x100mg tablets a day. He says that these help him to be able to eat. He knows that weed is used by some AIDS sufferers to help them "graze" as they call it but he says that the morphine gives him the full on munchies.

One thinks that the stereotypical "rake thin" heroin addict may be because a fair number of said Heroin addicts are more concerned about where their next fix is coming from rather than spending money on food. This may not be correct in all cases but certainly is correct in some cases of which SWIM has been witness to.

Unfortunately he has seen the worst end of this also, a mother leaving her baby crying and hungry as she goes out to spend the last of her money on another fix. SWIM ended up footing the bill for some food for the baby because mommy was too busy nodding and SWIM could not bear the sight. It is unfortunate what opiates can do to those whom do not have the will power to control it.

In other cases he has seen though Heroin and other opiates seem to definitely give the munchies effect in some cases. SWIM knows one guy whom most people would call fat who is a regular heroin user. SWIM himself is a pretty heft person (about 220lb) and is a regular heroin / opiate user (SWIM has money and a good paying job though so it makes his case a little different than the stereotypical rake thin addict).

SWIM also works nights as a bodyguard / bouncer and finds that opioids can have an almost "steroid" like effect in a way. This is not to say that it builds muscle, but it totally takes the pain of a workout out of the equation which makes for a stronger and longer workout (and in the absence of any actual steroids, REAL muscle development).

Hope this has been of help or insight

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very very informative

[kalininin]

so swiy works out on opiates [sometimes]. swiy not afraid of disturbing the balance of own endorphins ? in further workout sessions swim means.

[Akkijee]

Off-topic somewhat but saying that kalininin, SWIM quite likes working on his opiates. He works from home at the computer, and in his perhaps drug-addled opinion, it really helps to have a nice opiation going on at the same time. Add in some mellow ambient music and its hardly like work at all

Akki

[thestranger]

people say poppy tea is fuckin horrible tasting. SWIM likes it. Its just really earthy.