TEK - Peppermint Oil Extraction Technique

[firegod]

SWIM has done many extractions on lsa containing seeds..
After many trials of error and success SWIM has opted to share some info...

In SWIMs opinon the fastest easiest way to extract seeds is with peppermint oil..
Have you ever sat down with thousands of seeds and done over 50 types
of extractions, testing them under the blacklight to see which glows the
brightest. Then after SWIM tested for least nausea and bodyload and high,
mostly trying to do it the natural route. It seems the chemical way is not
too hard at all if u have the proper chemicals and equiment and directions.
This way works very well and is very easy to ingest with no bodyload.

Another advantage there is to this technique is the peppermint oil is high in
Salicylates which is one type of natural blood thinner that blocks vitamin K.
LSA seeds are known its vasoconstrictive properties and this natural blood
thinner solves this problem for the duration of your high.



Another great advantage to this techniqie is that peppermint oil is also high
in acetelhyde, which is a certain chemical that will change the state of
LSA to d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide.

The main component in the seeds is d-lysergic acid amide also called
ergine. It was found that ergine and isoergine were present in the seeds to
some extent in the form of their condensation product with acetaldehyde,
i.e. d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide and d-isolysergic acid
hydroxyethylamide resp.


Apparently, N-(1-hydroxyethyl) lysergamide is an adduct compound formed
from lysergamide (LSA) and acetaldehyde. This hints towards the idea that
it isn't the most stable of compounds, but would be pretty easily formed by
the combination of lysergamide & acetaldehyde under physiological
conditions (mixing of the two).


A similar study shows a 59% adduct product creation
after a 24 hour period in a solution at or below a ph of 4.0.


Please enjoy and would like to hear some replys to those of you who try
this tek cuz its SWIMS favorite....

Reputation Comments on this post:

your theorys are interesting please post tek

[Enfintity]

how about some details on the tek?
i've seen your posts on the subject elsewhere, and am intrigued.
any new updates?

[mari juana]

This is brilliant!

How could i have not thought of this before, i have peppermint oil too..

What exactly did you do???

[Enfintity]

i'm not so sure firegod will be back any time soon.
he posted more on his experiences over at the ayahuasca dot come forums.

[infekt]

I found this on said forums, it's firegod's tek

"I think this extraction tek is the best for making a potent tincture that
works everytime. Make it potent enough so all you need is 5 drops!!
NO BODYLOAD AT ALL .. I have confirmed this multiple times...

First off you always want to start with a larger quantity of seeds then
would think is enough...(due to potentcy variability)

- Grind seeds in a coffee grinder

- Stuff seeds in a stainless, copper or glass tube with one end only small
enough to stick a butane nozzle in and on the other end a 1-3inch opening
for filter.

- Squirt the butane threw nozzle end all the crap will fall out thru the filter
at the bottom. Do this twice for like 3-8 seconds. Make sure not too much
pressure builds or you will literally blast your seeds right out the tube.

- Remove seeds from tube and allow to dry for 1 hr

- put seeds in a SMALL jar smaller the better easier to work with, with
95% or better alcohol either Grain or IPA/Rubbing.

- Add a few drops of peppermint oil this is high in acetalhyde and has
acetic acid in it to make the LSA/LSH more stable.

- Shake this around hard for 10min then allow to sit in fridge for another
hour and 45min.(2 hour extraction)

- carefully pour off top into a filter make sure all seed gook stays in jar.

- Evaporate this down to desired amount(patience is way better, you can
use a fan, but if you use heat don't go higher then 100 degrees F.) or
evaporate to dry extract(it will be slightly oily from the peppermint oil) and
scrape to reconstitute with 60% or better alcohol.(the Tincture has a way
better effect then dry extract)

_ Have a nice trip...OR If you want something more pure don't use
peppermint oil in first stages. You will also be loosing LSA doing these
washes but whatever you want it more pure.

- after you have evaporated it down reconstitute it only in really COLD
99% rubbing alcohol..do this 3 times leaving the GOOK at he bottom each
time.. There is still a small amount of LSA in the gook but discard it or eat
it later...

- after final scrape and its completely dry reconstitute it in only grain
alcohol and add peppermint oil

- Potency at could be very very high at this point and i suggest you don't
eat this unless weighed on a really good scale before you reconstitute it.."



I'm wondering, could swim add a few drops of peppermint oil in the water if swim was doing a cold water extraction? Would it help?

Reputation Comments on this post:

extraction TEK that's easy and to the point

[infekt]

Hmm...sorry for kinda double posting, but that extraction method above was not his final one:

"
First off you must start with Rivea Corymbosa aka Ololiuqui..least nausea
comes from these.. And a damn fantastic TRIP!!

I find that when you defat your losing some sort of psychedelic effect.. its
best to have the WHOLE extract.. minimizing the amount of liquid used will
GREATLY reduce the nausea which i personally think comes in higher
amounts in Morning Glories or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose...

First get seeds and grind as fine as possible... coffee blender works best.
Get the purest drinkable alcohol you can get.. add finely ground seeds.
add a few drops of peppermint oil (keep in mind most peppermint oils at
local stores are only 30% peppermint oil rest mixed with some misc oil)
let it sit in fridge for 24hrs and filter discarding whats on the bottom...

If your only using a very very small amount of alcohol i find its best to use
a thin cloth to squeeze the seed gook so the alcohol falls thru, then let the
alcohol decant in the freezer til EVERYTHING falls to bottom then just pour
off the top for use or use a dropper."


There it is.

[I<3Salvia]

Can anyone verify that this works? Also what kind of filter would you use? Coffee? Or is that too fine?

[bomber]

swim is trying it 2morow night with 5 H.B.W and then once he starts to feel the effects he'll take 20 mg of 2c-i... i imagine that he wud take the 2c-i about 2 hours after the extraction.swim grinded up 5 h.b.w seeds and put them in a small jar, he then made a hole in the lid big enough for the butane nozzle to fit through it.then he sprayed the seed powder until they were coverd in fluid and left to evaporate for 10 mins whilst still in the jar. he did this 3 times and now he is leaving it to evaporate completely on a plate until 2morow.2morow he will extract the seed mush in another jar with about a mouthfull of whisky and some peppermint oil for about 8 hours in the fridge with the occasional shake.when it comes to the time to take it he will filter all the mush out and down the LSA/LSH shot followed by 20 mg of 2ci 2 hours into the trip. hehe he also has a couple of nitrous carts so he shud have a pretty interesting trip.i'll let u guys know how the trip goes for him...

[I<3Salvia]

Thanks for the post bomber, swim will keep this technique in mind now.

[kalininin]

swimmy somehow doesnt understand bout the peppermint oil:what does that do?
turn lsa to lsd ?

[bomber]

it reduces the nausea, body load and the constriction that lsa causes and is sed to convert lsa into lsh... swiy can find more info about it on the net... swim tried the extraction and it seemed to work... the trip was very very intense, but i suppose he did take 2c-i with it so that wud of helped... but he definitely didnt experience much nausea, bodyload or constriction at all considering that he took 5 seeds all at once which usually would of been quite uncomfortable, this means that swiy can achieve a trip by taking more seeds without the nausea which is usually what puts people off taking h.b.w... ...and if the lsa to lsh conversion actually did/does work then EVEN better.. but swim cant confirm that it does simply because he isnt 100% sure since he took 2c-i with the LSA/LSH, (hes pretty sure that it did help the intensity of his experience but nevertheless, he cant be 100% certain) but he can definitely say that it DID reduce the negative side effects, thats for sure.

[I<3Salvia]

Would swiy try this technique again by itself and let the fellow swimmers here know if it in fact does work?

[bomber]

yes he was going to take 15 H.B.W using this technique one of these days but but now he wont be able to until the end of june beginning of july due to a very busy 3 months coming up... alot of exams and work to do... but swim will leave a list of the materials needed and some step by step instructions for anyone who cant wait for swim to report back and wants to give it a go...

[bomber]

materials needed:1. a small jar2. butane (lighter fluid) it needs to be the lighter re-fill butane that comes in a tin with a nossle on the end so swiy can squirt/spray the gas into the jar. 3. peppermint oil; swim got his from amazon.co.uk4. Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, swiy could use morning glory but that wouldnt be as effective for reducing nausea due to the amount of seed mush, plus swiy would need a much bigger jar...5. a grinder; any type will do, swim used a regular MaryJane grinder but a coffegrinder will probably be even better, the finer the seed are the better 6. the strongest drinkable alcohol swiy can get his hands on, swim used jameson whisky but any will do... 7. a coffee filter or food strainer.



instructions->first clean off the h.b.w seeds nice n good so all the excess coating is removed and grind them up as fine as swiy can

-->now, make a hole in the lid of the jar just big enough for the butane nossle to fit through and then put swiy's grinded seeds in the jar and close tight.

-->squirt the butane through the hole in the jar until the seed mush is covered in butane liquid (spray for about 8 seconds or so) and let the jar sit for a min or two so the butane sort of semi evaporataes off, (not so u cant smell any butane but enough for there to be no more visible liquid in jar, swiy doesnt have to even take the lid off the jar since swiy has made a hole in the lid and the butane can evaporate through that).

->repeat this last step about 3 times-->once swiy has finished with the butane blasting he can empty the seed mush onto a plate and let it sit over night until all the butane has completely evaporated, in other words until no butane can be smelt on the seeds... it should only take a few hours but swim left it over night just to be sure.

-->while ur waiting for the seed to finish evaporating clean the jar out ready for the next step.

-->now, once evaporated, put seed mush back into jar and put the desired amount of the alcohol in with it plus about 5 or more drops of peppermint oil (the least about of alcohol the better because then it gets digested quicker making it kick in faster; i put in about a regular shots worth, the amount u would have in a club or at a party) -

->leave the jar in the fridge to extract shaking whenever u think about it (remember to cover the hole in the lid with ur thumb when u shake, lol) i left it to extract for about 10 hours

-->once its time to start dosing, hehe... just filter the contents of the jar into a glass and throw the seed mush away, use a coffee filter or what ever that u can get ur hands on that will do a similar job... be sure to squeeze all the liquid out of the seeds... u might need to repeat the filtering a few times to make sure that there is no seeds in the lsa/lsh alcohol u're about to drink...

-->good luck and happy tripping!

[kalininin]

bomber: didnt even knw that it even caused discomfort... does it? [lsd]
kalininin swim meant in the first 1 or 2 hours, bit nauseous, bit itchy-mind.
he also realized it to be an unrelated question, cuz in the papertrip theres just lsd [hopefully] n paper, no especially nauseeting other substances to worry about.
he's found a light dose of benzo helpful in the past to combat said ''bad feelings''.

[69Ron]

Actually you can also make LSH by dissolving LSA in hot peppermint tea. There is no need to use peppermint oil. 1 Peppermint tea bag has many times more acetaldehyde than you need to convert many doses of LSA into the more psychedelic LSH, plus it tastes much better

[kalininin]

cool! what sort of potentiation is swiy talking about ? 10 %, 30 % ??
or is it indeed more psychedelic ie 'deeper' ?

[69Ron]

It’s not any stronger. LSA (d-lysergic acid amide) and LSH (D-Lysergic acid α-hydroxyethylamide) have about the same potency. LSH is more psychedelic like LSD and LSA is mostly just a sedative. The more LSA there is, the more sedating the seeds are. The more LSH there is, the more psychedelic the seeds are.

If you like a dreamy experience use old seeds. As the seeds age the LSH turns into LSA so old seeds contain a lot more LSA than LSH.

If you want a stimulating LSD-like experience, use peppermint tea to turn the LSA back into LSH. But keep the dose on the low end. Both LSA and LSH produce unpleasant side effects (vasoconstriction mostly) at a moderate dosage and are very unpleasant and possibly dangerous at high doses. The effects of LSH are very similar to the effects of LSD. It’s very hard to tell the difference between a low dose of LSH and a low dose of LSD.

Reputation Comments on this post:

nice small, but important point

[Euphoric]

Originally Posted by 69Ron

Actually you can also make LSH by dissolving LSA in hot peppermint tea. There is no need to use peppermint oil. 1 Peppermint tea bag has many times more acetaldehyde than you need to convert many doses of LSA into the more psychedelic LSH, plus it tastes much better

To use this method, would one prepare a seed extraction and make some peppermint tea, let the tea cool for a couple of minutes so it is hot/warm but not boiling (as to avoid destroying the LSA) and then add the extract to the tea?

Would the tea be effective in combating vasoconstriction? What if the LSA extract was ingested, followed by a cup of peppermint tea? Would a partial conversion take place in the body? Would the tea help ease vasoconstriction caused by LSA?

[69Ron]

Originally Posted by Euphoric

To use this method, would one prepare a seed extraction and make some peppermint tea, let the tea cool for a couple of minutes so it is hot/warm but not boiling (as to avoid destroying the LSA) and then add the extract to the tea?

Exactly. The water should not be boiling hot at any time. Boiling water might mess up the process causing the acetaldehyde in the peppermint to boil away.

I know everyone talks about how heat sensitive LSA is. Well, LSA is not that sensitive to boiling water. According to SWIM's tests, LSA can wistand at least 30 minutes in boiling water, and can wistand many hours in boiling alcohol. SWIM extracted LSA from HBWR once using continuously boiling isopropryl alcohol in a Soxhlet for 12 hours and all the LSA was just fine.

Even LSD tartrate, which has a melting point of 190-196 °C, can easily withstand boiling water (100 °C) for several minutes. This is the form usually available. It’s the freebase alkaloids that are very heat sensitive. Freebase LSD has a melting point of 80 °C. Most alkaloids are pretty stable up until their melting point. Some are stable up until their boiling point.

Originally Posted by Euphoric

Would the tea be effective in combating vasoconstriction?

To a certain degree, yes. Peppermint’s bronchial dilator and vasodilator effects are very weak compared to the effects of LSA/LSH. You would need a stronger vasodilator like Yohimbe to combat the vasoconstriction of LSA/LSH. Theobromine (the active chemical in chocolate) is another good choice. It’s also a bronchial dilator. LSH is a bronchial constrictor and vasoconstrictor (LSA is mostly just a vasoconstrictor). SWIM tried theobromine and was quite happy with it. Another thing that helps is Niacin (vitamin B3).

Originally Posted by Euphoric

What if the LSA extract was ingested, followed by a cup of peppermint tea? Would a partial conversion take place in the body?

I don’t know.

Reputation Comments on this post:

You've been sharing interesting information. Thanks!

[DarkDead]

Hi.
To increase the bronchial dilation buy chocolate with the highest percentage of cocoa you can find. Pure cocoa powder would be the best thing but I believe it's not so tasty. Search for bakery products or dark chocolate. I can find bakery chocolate bars with up to 70% cocoa (my favourite), although the most common ones have around 40%.

By the way, SWIM was thinking about mixing LSA with red wine to obtain LSH and make it tastier. SWIM will drink a dose of LSA (now converted to LSH) however it is now diluted. Would this increase the time it takes until SWIM feels the effects? Do you know how long it takes?

[coelho]

Originally Posted by 69Ron

Actually you can also make LSH by dissolving LSA in hot peppermint tea. There is no need to use peppermint oil. 1 Peppermint tea bag has many times more acetaldehyde than you need to convert many doses of LSA into the more psychedelic LSH, plus it tastes much better

Well... the boiling point of the acetaldehyde is about 20C. Wont it evaporate completly during the process of making the tea, as the tea bag will be soaked in water way hotter than 20C?

[Herb Shaman]

Swim will be trying this method soon. Thank you Swiy69ron.

[0utrider]

so basically one could say just use whatever method one prefers his LSA (f.e. extrakt or not extrakt) and let it sit in peppermint oil as described and he will get (more) LSH?!

btw SWIM thinks this thread should be a sticky or a thread with a summary of these informations and maybe some more descriptions of effects etc..

[69Ron]

That's right. But keep it in solution. Don’t dry it. People I’ve talked with all seem to be unable to dry it without it decomposing back into LSA and acetaldehyde.

As far as effects go, here's a summary of some of the more common effects.

Main physical effects of LSH
* CNS stimulation
* Vasoconstriction
* Bronchial constriction

Main visual effects
* Increased color perception
* Alterations of size and shape of objects
* Hallucination of visual shapes and patterns
* Alteration of visual object recognition (i.e., an object may appear different, somehow new, but look the same)
* Alteration of visual object associations (viewing an object may trigger thoughts not normally triggered by the object)

Main mental effects
* Anxiety and paranoia (more likely at moderate to high doses and often triggered by bronchial constriction)
* Euphoria (more likely at low doses)
* New insights into one’s internal and external world (more likely at moderate to high doses)
* Alteration of thought associations (one thought may trigger other thoughts in ways that are not normal)

That’s not a complete list of the effects. It needs to be expanded.

Here are the main characteristic effects of LSA, LSH, and LSD compared.

Onset, peak, and total duration of effects after ingestion (h:mm)
LSH: 1:30, 4:00, 5:00-7:00 (this is not a typo, LSH has a slow come up and a quick come down)
LSA: 1:00, 3:30, 6:00-8:00
LSD: 0:30, 3:00, 8:00-12:00

Hallucinations of visual patterns at moderate to high doses
LSH: Sometimes
LSA: Sometimes
LSD: Usually

CNS effects
LSH: Mild stimulant
LSA: Mild sedative
LSD: Strong stimulant

Noticeable vasoconstriction at moderate to high doses:
LSH: Yes
LSA: Yes
LSD: No

Noticeable bronchial constriction at moderate to high doses (causing shortness of breath):
LSH: Yes
LSA: No
LSD: No

Visual object association alterations
LSH: Yes
LSA: Rare
LSD: Yes

Distortion of the size and shapes of objects
LSH: Yes
LSA: Rare
LSD: Yes

Causing feelings of anxiety and paranoia at moderate to high doses
LSH: Very common
LSA: Rare
LSD: Less common

Causing feelings of euphoria and excitement in low doses
LSH: Very common
LSA: Rare
LSD: Very common

Causing feelings of contentment and relaxation in low doses
LSH: Rare
LSA: Very common
LSD: Rare

Causing nausea at moderate to high doses
LSH: Common
LSA: Common
LSD: Rare

Effects on color perception
LSH: Often increased
LSA: Often decreased
LSD: Often increased

Causing a perceived slowing of the passage of time
LSH: Common
LSA: Rare
LSD: Common

Causing objects to appear as though they are seen for the first time
LSH: Common
LSA: Rare
LSD: Common

I think that says it in a nutshell. That information is accurate based on several talks I’ve had with others who have tried all three. The description of the effects will not apply to everyone and are definitely incomplete.

We need more feedback from users so that we can tweak this and make the information more accurate and complete for the majority of users, not just the few people I talked to.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	great post, thanks, a faq or more detailed manual for LSH would be nice
	Excellent summary. Thank you.
	Nice Post
	You are a real informative guy, thanks.