Harder to Kick? Cocaine or opiates?

[imyourlittlebare]

Well thats all well and fine but the different thing about Ibogaine is it actually disrupts the physical memory circuit of addiction. It takes care of cravings and wanting the drug. It has something to do with disruption of LTP in certain ways . it like blocks the synthesis of some protein. Scientists are trying to replicate the effects of this without its terrible side effects which can include death. however, the protein or whatever they want to antagonize, when they do it leads to the same side effects. Ill post an article on it.

I guess what im saying is Ibogaine disrupts the actual addiction "engram" i guess for lack of a better word. DXm, MDMA and whatever you said may help the drug addict to reevaluate their lives or have a change, but this is fundamentally different to "curing" addiction.

[Fight Club]

NIK finds that with cocaine, stopping is not to hard, but "staying stopped" is a real bitch. NIK has been sober since March, 2006 and has four 3-month and two 6-month coins in his collection.

NIK has fantasized about using opiates recreationally; he was taking Percoset following a knee replacement for about 6 weeks this past Spring. He didn't though; decided that carrying one monkey was way easier than two . . .

FC

[chukbzle]

some or most people can only go by what they know unless have had an addiction to both and swim has and will have to say opiates. coke seemed like after day three(detox)swim was fine and swim was on it longer than opiates. opiates i think are the worse(other than benzos which almost killed swim).Coke was more of a "damn i want a line" and opiates were like "i need a line!" plus when u wanna quit it makes ya quite useless and bitter for awhile and depression and anxiety go thru the roof.swim has been suicidal before but opiate withdrawls seemed so bad everytime swim quit it almost made swim wanna die from the hell and mental offset of quitting

[infekt]

I have been through both addictions...

3. Coke
2. Benzos
1. Heroin

The benzo withdrawals were worse than the heroin withdrawals (physical), but heroin's mental obsession is the worst thing I have ever experienced. To this day, I still think about shooting up everyday, though I've been clean for long time since any actual physical withdrawals. Coke made me depressed for a week or two, but since I've stopped using coke i haven't thought about it nearly much at all, in fact sometimes thinking about it kind of makes me sick. I guess it's different for everyone, myself the opiates wre way harder, I guess it's just because I'm more of a downer type of guy. It all depends on what your preference is and what kind of adjustment in feeling you feel you always need, in general.

peace and love

[Homegrow3r]

Ten years since giving up heroin I am still reminded of the warm flush when I smell hot metal such as a car exhaust bringing me back to the smell of the hot spoon.
I've never had such a problem with coke and even when speedballing, wasn't bothered as long as the shot was good and brown.
As described by another poster, those on a coke binge would sell their souls, jump over counters, grab handbags, driven crazy chasing that euphoria, but a smackhead keeps ticking over......or gets sick.

[hippie_lain]

for swim its diffently cocaine. swim used to take hydromorphone and vics all the time but he could stop them when i wanted to. given the withdraw symtoms are extremly more than coke but swim just couldnt stop doing coke. Swim have one gram to start with then 200 dollars and 2 days later swim would beg for sleep to come quickly. Hardest thing for swim was trying not to binge. cocaine is a fucking demon in swims opinion

[Fantasian]

I think where i was originally going with the initial post was quite differant to the line this has gone down. SWIF is very familiar with the horrific opiate withdrawals, and the sheer physical unpleasantness. But i think SWIF couldnt maintain his job, social life etc while on opiates so he was forced into action against using regularly. With cocaine, hell he could do it the same morning and still goto work and meet people. The question is deeper than it seems on the surface.

[donzen]

for SWIM opiates because if he wants to quit these he cant work for a week and he feels sick and wants to stay in his loft.
Quitting cocaine seems like no problem to SWIM, after 4 years of regular consumption and times of long therm daily highdose consumption its still "easy" to stop it for a while.
The hardest thing about cocaine is that some triggers always let SWIM think about blow and then he just gives it another go.

Thats my opinion about blow versus opiates

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[rocksmokinmachine]

I think opiates, because of the crippling withdrawals, and opiate users have the highest rate of relapse of ANY of other drug users.

[Shampoo]

Opiates have a unique relationship with pain that results in their 'crippling' withdrawal quality. Opiates effectively 'clog' the neuroreceptors actively receiving 'substance-p', the polypeptide responsible for pain. As a results, the brain creates new sites for their reception. When the receptors become unclogged (removal of opiate stimulation), there is a great deal of over-stimulation by the excess 'substance-p'. As cocaine has no great effect on physical pain and discomfort, it remains a greatly psychological withdrawal, which swim considers more manageable. He has never had a great problem giving up the coca, but sinks into a distinct unmanageable pain and discomfort during opiate withdrawal, and as a result believes opiates to be more addicting.

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I did'nt write a post coz ya already said it all

[chemlove]

Wow, many SWIMMERS have told me that kicking cocaine is the hardest thing in the world. That's why i love the fact that someone posted this poll. This gave me a chance to see that i always underestimated the addictive qualities of opiates (something SWIM never used, but had plenty of friends who used and some who easily kicked and others who well not so easily).

All addiction can be really tough, but in the end its a combo of a support net, the activities to keep busy and not thinking about your past activities, and finally the desire to make getting clean one of if not the most important part of your life.

[Kano]

In my cats experience its got to be opiates even after the feared physical withdrawal is over there is the mental cravings which never seem to let up...its been six years for him since his last bit of heroin but that obsession to "just have one more it will be alright" still comes on pretty strong sometimes....!!

[beerme]

Well, i have voted opiates for this poll. My mate Dave has been addicted to opiates, rocks (crack), benzo's, alcohol (all at once (except alcohol, no use for alcohol whilst having raging benzo, heroin and crack habits!!) and individually for 10+ years), but has been clean for over 10 years now. The reason i voted opiates was that Dave said he found it easy to stop using all but benzo's and heroin, with heroin being the hardest, benzo's the most physically painful.

Dave tried all optoions available to him to help kik the heroin but nothing worked, the last straw was a mandatory meeting with a psychiatrist, (otherwise no script), who told him 'You must be like water, the softest thing that can mold itself to any shape, but also the hardest thing, it can cut diamond', Dave left with script, scored, spent another couple of years homeless and fuk'd in London, then did it himself cold turkey.

It's over 10 years later now and Dave STILL gets cravings for that feeling from opiates...will that ever stop? Doubtful.

But consider this, the fact that coke is easy to walk away from, (compared to most others), also makes it the drug most likely to fall back into and therefore the chance of a new addiction. How long do you need to be clean before you create yourself a NEW addiction and not a relapse??

I know for a fact that Dave will never do opiates again because he knows exactly how hard and painful it is to let go of it. On the flip side, I may do coke again because i know i can walk away. It is because of this that maybe you could say that because it is easier to walk away from it may in fact make it more difficult to completely kick it.......

[helene]

Opiates all the way.

Heroin withdrawal is unlike anything else swim has ever experienced.

Swim has an IV heroin habit. She uses crack (smoked and IV) 2 or 3 times a week. Each time swim gets an eighth of heroin, she gets a teenth of crack as well. So she's a semi-regular crack user, I guess. She's been using both heroin and crack since she was 16, so 7 years now.

Of course, when swim runs out of crack, sure she want more. She might feel a bit edgy for a while (until she has a dig of gear that is), but, if swim hasn't got any money, and can't get any, and so can't score any more crack, a few hours down the line she's okay with it. Not much later on she's forgotten all about it and gone to bed.

Not the case with heroin. Run out of that and can't score any more, you know it's just gonna get worse and worse for the next 4 days at least, the physical withdrawal getting more and more intense. Swap that for psychological crack cravings any day...

And if she's got limited funds, and a choice between heroin and crack, of course she's gonna go for the heroin 100% of the time, fuck the crack off altogether. Cos it's not as if she needs it, like she does the gear, right?

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[ness33]

opiates always seems worth the money and coke never seems worth the money in my opinion. Opiates feel like something swim can always rely on as coke just makes swim feel tweaked out.

[jeepack]

SWIM kicked the cocaine habit without too much withdrawl, probably had more withdrawl symptoms with tabacco...

He never touched opiates though, for knowing how tough they are to kick. They are so tough to kick that dealers in montreal actually sell methadone (might have spelled it wrong) which is something to go on to releive some of the withdrawl consequences. They do so in order for the client to remain in contact with them, increasing the odds that they never stop.

Cocaine is hard, in my opinion, because it gives a "rock-star" feeling to your life, is a high society drug, and spreads through a group as a pandemic. Then, it might be leaving that group that actually makes the withdrawl hard... that was swims case. Opiates on the other hand have a very real medical reason for being hard to kick.

[junkville]

swim guesses it depends on the person. Obviously heroin has physical withdrawal, so in the short term heroin would be more difficult.

In swims situation he iv'd both drugs but preferred the high from coke, he realized this after being physically addicted to heroin for several years.

To make a long story short yes it was hard to deal with the short term withdrawal symptoms of heroin, but after longer term sobriety swim is having more cravings for cocaine.

If given the choice today, swim would take the coke and wished he'd taken the heroin once the coke was gone.

[beerme]

My Mate Dave has absolutely NO cravings for coke/crack..... but the thought of just a little touch of the opiates often rears it's ugly head.....and it's been 10 years remember.....