Harder to Kick? Cocaine or opiates?

[Fantasian]

Many have been through the body destroying withdrawals that opiates present after the loving touch that they give. Other have been through the burning desire for more cocaine after the heroic steel spine that it gives.

I know the reasons for wanting more are differant and each one presents it's own problems.

Which habit do people think it's harder to kick?

[Alicia]

possibly opiates due to the psychological crushing and nasty withdrawal associated. Cocaine is more just a morish nuisance head high then anything else.

Now combine them both in a syringe thats a different one altogether

[Fantasian]

hehe too true, SWIF is far to afraid of that, I think it's like compairing desire to fear somehow. Opiates i felt that SWIF always took more in fear of the withdrawal as oppose to the desire to get more where as cocaine was the desire, always the desire.

[Pinkavvy]

No comparison really. Simply the physical withdrawls from opiates make it much harder to quit then anything else swip has ever had to do.

[Fantasian]

Alright so the question that follows is If one has kicked opiates does that prepare him to kick cocaine?

[tayo]

cocaine seems mostly mental, and opiates are mostly physical which can turn to mental. believe there are some articles that show cocaine can treat opiate withdrawals... and would explain when swim switched opiates to cocaine a couple years back he didn't experience opiate withdrawals but when recently kicked opiates again, he did.

"cocaine attenuates opiate withdrawals"
and
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...20/ai_15900931

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...&dopt=Abstract

[MrJim]

SWIM did a helluva lot of cocaine when he was younger, but never had problems leaving it behind, it was most difficult, as Alicia said, when it was combined with heroin. But even then, when the money got low the coke was the first to go.

[VincentVan]

Hard earned experience convinced me that it all comes down to how fit one is for the struggle.
They say that what doesn´t kill you makes you stronger.
If that would be true SWIM would be iron man of the century.

VV.

" We are here to help each other get through this thing; whatever it is."
(Kurt Vonnegut. -"Bluebeard"- )

[Rio Fantastic]

Cocaine doesn't even begin to compare to Opiates. Crack does, but it's a five minute feeling followed by a bad feeling, which means crack kind of cancels itself out in your brain. Sure, you'll crave the head high again, but opiates are totally different. It's hours of feeling good, and then you wont feel bad until a couple of days later, and then opiates are the medicine to cure it.

[dr.gonzo]

Swim had plenty of fun times with coke and can still occasionally indulge in some powder fueled nights without any harsh consequences--such as craving for another taste when the well runs dry.

As for opiates, Swim spends more time scoring, using, and thinking about the next fix more than he'd care to admit. These drugs seem to be dominating his life these days. Swim is in a constant struggle of cyclically wanting to clean up his act following wanting to stay high forever. I don't think that cocaine could ever cause a similar conflict for him.

[cyndi]

Ehhhhhh swim has sat on her hands long enough here. OK coke and heroine are wayyyyyy different. Obviously heroine is harder to kick because a hell of a lot of physical pain keeps the user using. Coke is easier, more psycological really, it eases with time and not that much obsession during swim's coke binge days like with the meth. It is in swim's opinion coke is more recreational than heroine. Heroine is serious crap that will alter your life in a messed up way. Don't get swim wrong people do have problems with cola but can seem to kick it easier if they really want to. Ok where is meth in the little pole? If one is to compare, compare hard to hard street drugs. Although coke can be a nasty habit too, it is a bad comparison.

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a good personal account, that most can relate to on this forum.

[someone111]

swim is addicted to coke and tramadol.... swim is doing much better making it off coke he has almost went a week without it but tramadol is a different story.... swim takes 1200mg twice a day... when he wakes up and at night are the times swim takes it.... so swim has to say opiates are very much harder to kick

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Totally different things all together.And if opiates just offered painful physical withdrawals they might be easier to kick,anyone that has been addicted to opiates know that the physical withdrawal is only one part of it.Even after the physical hurt goes away a craving always exist.A person just doesn't feel "right"and things they once enjoyed aren't enjoyable and you constantly think"This would be fun if swim had some opiates."

[someone111]

swim also cant concentrate without tramadol.... he goes in a zombie like state

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Tramadol has some SSRI properties so swim wonders if withdrawal from tramadol would also have some things in common with SSRI withdrawal?

[someone111]

swim gets depressed without it and when somthing happens swim always turns to the tramadol for help....... the withdrawal from it is crazy and swim doesnt no how hes gonna get off of it.... swim took 35 pills last night and woke up still high

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Hmm swim is dependent on far more serious opiates so he isn't sure how tramadol withdrawal is in comparison.Swim is sure it is addictive but isn't too sure what the severity of it is.

[keats]

Tobacco. SWIM has been addicted to and quit all 3, and tobacco was by far the hardest.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim can definitely believe that swikeats.Swim doesn't ever see himself quitting smoking.Swim knows it can be done but if he can't even kick opiates then cigarettes are just not possible.

[someone111]

swim finds tramadol more addicting than any other opiate

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Odd tramadol was invented to have less abuse potential than true opiates.Swim can't see anyone taking tramadol over something like dilaudid(hydromorphone).

[someone111]

swim just feels different with tramadol and finds it very strong.... he likes it way better than oxycontin or morphine.... but swim takes tramadol in doses 1200mg up to 1700mg

[Orchid_Suspiria]

How long has swim been taking such high does of tramadol?Tramadol has the potential to cause seizures in very high doses swim has heard?Can anyone confirm this?

[cyndi]

Yes swim knows of someone who takes high doses of Tramadol and has seizures and can't figure out why. This is a friend who herniated discs in her back during a car wreck and is seeing a quack pain specialist. Swim is worried about her good friend. She doesn't even drink. Sheesh. Swim is shocked, she had no idea Tramadol is an opiate or was addictive. She was scripted this after back surgury and was told it wasn't an opiate as she usually had as swiy knows really really bad reactions to opiates. Swim took it in the doses recommended and didn't feel it was effective so stopped taking it. Swim never heard of that addiction. She learns something new daily. Cigs, man I think your opiates would probably be easier as swim has seen her soon to be ex struggle with that nasty addiction for years. He kicked booze and meth but not cigs. Wants to but can't. He is an alcoholic, major one, also an addict but prefers the drink.

[cyndi]

Originally Posted by tayo

cocaine seems mostly mental, and opiates are mostly physical which can turn to mental. believe there are some articles that show cocaine can treat opiate withdrawals... and would explain when swim switched opiates to cocaine a couple years back he didn't experience opiate withdrawals but when recently kicked opiates again, he did.

"cocaine attenuates opiate withdrawals"
and

Swiy or T, a friend of mine died recently from switching from heroine to cola since she thought that cola would be easier to kick. She did the same thing. Stopped using the cola and went back to slamming heroine. Then her addiction really got out of control and she was speedballing, oh using coke and heroine for those who don't know the term, that is what killed her basically. Swim is still in major pain over this as she tried to convince her friend to quit. This was when swim was still clean before her relapse back to meth. Vicious cycle man.

Also look at the pole coke 3%, Heroine 88% come on now! LOL!

Edited to say someone called me ignorant of opiate wds. Where do you get that? Yes swim has had them and they are horrible. That neg. rep was not warranted all all!!!!!!