Opinions - is cocaine HCl better than crack cocaine ?

[vantranist]

Crack feels just like a line of cocaine to SWIM, however shorter stronger and more intense (better)

The Euphoria to SWIM is much better than morphine/heroin pleasure.

Meth, coke > Opiats to SWIM.

anyday anytime, just because you don't like it doesnt mean others don't.

Heroin is Really over rated to SWIM. Still amazing ofcorse, however SWIm loves to move around talk, and be energetic when highm not nailed to the bed.

Crack is a cheap cocaine high, thats why they smoke it, and to SWIM provides the same high but stronger and shorter.

I think people on these boards get to picky with their highs... aslong as its close its good enogh for swim. Word around here is "if it aint bunk, its bomb."

The real question is why do people smoke crack and not crystal.

[dbjay417]

The trouble with drug addiction is first that its a blight on society, and secondly that it deteriorates the addicts health.

That said, having all the money you need to smoke as much rock as you'd like, an addict will stay off the radar until they are tied up in a bust, or become sick.

Its the other 99.9% of drug addicts, the ones that can't afford spend $1500 a week on rock, that the world is truely concerned with.

[Swimster]

i agree with ventranist!

people seem to think that crack is better because it is more potent then cocaine insufflation, but, for those of swi that dont realize, it is actually a poor mans type choice. Although it is stronger that nasal cocaine salt administration, dont be fooled into believeing that it is in anyway "better" then powder cocaine.

like ventranist said - thats why it is smoked!

i mean, try insuflating crack! (please dont really)
swiy will find that it is of WAY worse quality then powder.

[zera]

Well, one must remember that studies have shown that when evaluating the pleasure or displeasure associated with an experience, consistently people will completely ignore the length of the pleasure/displeasure and only focus on the intensity. So when evaluating insufflated versus smoked cocaine and choosing which experience to repeat again at a later date someone will make the irrational decision to ignore the longer length of the insufflated experience and only focus on the fact that the smoked experience was more pleasurable.

And swimster the discomfort associated with insufflating crack has to do with the fact that its a freebase molecule rather than a salt. Even if the crack was of very high purity and the cocaine salt of very low purity the crack would still be massively more painful than the cocaine salt.

As for which one is higher quality, of course cocaine tends to be a higher quality, because theres one less step in its production, which means one less point for cutting to occur. However back before the late 70s freebase cocaine was actually considered the rich mans drug compared to cocaine salt, typically because the free base cocaine was straight from the cocaine production (cocaine extraction produces a freebase form before being converted into a salt).

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[Swimster]

Originally Posted by zera

And swimster the discomfort associated with insufflating crack has to do with the fact that its a freebase molecule rather than a salt. Even if the crack was of very high purity and the cocaine salt of very low purity the crack would still be massively more painful than the cocaine salt.

but of coarse, swim knows. No one snorts crack! swim was just comparing the difference in administration methods [smoking cocaine, vs snorting it] regardless of purity, crack is a cheaper high.

A better understanding on my point is that cocaine is simply a molecule responsible for a high, be it salt:HCl(powder) or Freebase(crack), it is still the same drug, BUT, a user will go through more crack than powder regardless of purity for obvious reasons(short durration!). so crack is a hot-quick high (cheap) as compared to powder. So, try comparing crack(smoked) to insufflation of powder.

...But like you said, users will usually pay more attention to the pleasure rather than the duration. (which is a good point)

[FuBai]

The violence mentioned in relation to excessive cocaine use is due to it's causation, in some cases, of psychosis. As opposed to an opiate, cocaine gives a racy energy combined with a surge of confidence and a lowering of inhibitions thus making the agent more susceptible to violent actions. The opiate sedates and relaxes whilst the cocaine drives the agent forward with confidence into actions that the agent may later regret. I would say the violence that is partialy predicated by excessive cocaine use is a result of the way the drug works and what it does, rather than it being violent people who are drawn to it. There is little point in disputing the causative link between cocaine and psychosis, much like with cannabis and schizophrenia it is well documented. This happens more acutley with crack because of the greater intensity, but it generaly occurs across all cocaine and indeed certain stimulant use.

[thrillhouse6146]

I guess it's more intense but i'll never get it personally, crack is just so dirty and coke lasts about as short as swim'd want for any high, it would suck balls to have to re up every 5 minutes. Not to mention crack fucks with your body cause you smoke it more than coke does.

[manda]

Why do people do coke instead of doing meth? Cheaper, stronger, and longer, meth is really making a name for itself globally.
Meth- the shit people who don't use drugs love to hate.
Meth- So few people can actually handle it, why do people use it?

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by manda

Why do people do coke instead of doing meth? Cheaper, stronger, and longer, meth is really making a name for itself globally.

All though this is off topic: Methamphetamine is very rare outside of America and South East Asia. In Europe we get fairly low quality and impure amphetamine sulphate which really does not compare in any way. This is why alot of people prefer cocaine.

As for the stereotyping: SWIM smokes crack on a regular basis and has never stolen, mugged anyone or begged for change in the street, and he isn't exactly rich either. Yet he gets by. I do agree that crack has the potential to make people violent. Alot of muggings could be put down to addicts, but this is the minority. Definately not the same for everyone.

[vantranist]

Yes swim moved from cali to FLORIDA and they dont even have tweak here...

Back in cali meth is a big thing, coke is out dated.

SWIM has never done any amphs besides meth so cant really say about others, however meth is better in EVERYWAY TO SWIM, besides the fact that the comdown is longer, but hey... if you want a longer high ur gonna have to pay for it with a longer comdown.

[JaWill88]

what swim doesn't understand is why anyone would actually snort powder. it's taking perfectly good coke and flushing it down the toilet. what a waste.

[Benga]

please stay on topic. this thread is about crack cocaine and cocaine HCl.

[JaWill88]

when swim makes crack it becomes purer than cocaine powder. and swim gets really really really good coke. so no, it isnt dirty. its cleaner than powder. it takes less crack to shoot than cocaine powder.

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[manda]

I have heard meth is hard to get in parts of Europe- I had a friend from England say the same thing.

Even if it isn't available everywhere, a lot have heard of it thru-out the world. I guess I shouldn't have said globally. I apoligize for that. Globally does not mean my corner of the country I live in.

Yet I wasn't really out of line asking why people would do coke over meth, was I? I thought there might be some interesting answers. Like rocksmokins explanation- That it simply isn't available everywhere.
Seems weird that it isn't. Does anyone know why it isn't available?

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by manda

Does anyone know why it isn't available?

Because most of the amphetamines consumed over in Europe are made in huge labs producing multiple kilos of amphetamine sulphate so this dominates the market. Also in places like the UK, precursors are extremely difficult to get hold of. New legislation in the hope of preventing a 'methamphetamine epidemic' has been put into place.

In The Netherlands cocaine takes preference over amphetamines, this goes for the UK aswell...well at least where SWIM is from

[chemlove]

My buddy told me its a combination of price and effect. He said that the iinstant gratification and quick onset is too some people better then snorting. I personally would never know as crack is a bit whack to me

[manda]

Thank you for your prompt response.
I guess in a way I think you are lucky. Here it is rampant. Sadly, the youth are picking it up more and more.

[Swimster]

^^Dare program actually helps for "crack use". Swim still hears from youths - "how dirty it is to be a crack-head".

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by Swimster

^^Dare program actually helps for "crack use". Swim still hears from youths - "how dirty it is to be a crack-head".

I dont follow, if kids talk about dirty crack heads, then how does that helps for crack use, unless you mean helps deter

[FuBai]

Originally Posted by beentheredonethatagain

I dont follow, if kids talk about dirty crack heads, then how does that helps for crack use, unless you mean helps deter

He means that the DARE programme works for crack. I would argue that the stigma surrounding heroin and crack use is derived from the view of society as a whole rather than the dare programme which makes little distinction between the harms of cannabis and heroin. It's peer pressure against crack/smack use that stops it, rather than the DARE programme which is ineffective.

[cracklin]

SWIM thinks that many crack users started as cocaine users and after time it will wreck the nose and destroy the septum - and will start smoking crack as a different means sof doing the ddrug

[truth]

crack is cheaper

[zera]

Originally Posted by truth

crack is cheaper

Well actually per unit of pure cocaine crack is in fact a good deal more expensive (let's not get into price discussions as its against the rules). Freebase cocaine is cheaper if you have a benchmark high you want to hit, i.e.
to get x high you need less crack than powdered cocaine. Of course this comes at the sacrifice of greatly shorter duration. If you measure how high one is at regular intervals and sum them up this (the integral) this has to be the same for the same amount of cocaine ingested and if one is buying crack they are getting less cocaine for the same money.

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taught SWIM something new

[vantranist]

Swim also prefers not have a fucked up nose witch makes the comdown that much worse. He also prefers to smoke any drug than snort it, intensity alone is enogh for that not even counting sinus damage, nose problems, slow high.

[someone111]

swim tryed crack b4 swim ever tryed coke and swim never found crack to be addictive but yet he is addicted to coke, could this be because he loves the process of snorting so much or because it last longer, does any1 else also like coke more than crack?