Opinions - is cocaine HCl better than crack cocaine ?

[i like wimmins]

Swim was thinking about it today. he had smoked crack many times, generally purchasing it because it was readily available (and he was drunk), but he has come to realize that its very possible that he hates the stuff.
True, the high is pretty intense, but he no longer thinks that its worth it. Unlike the (relatively) slow comedown of coke, shortly after a haul of crack, it feels like to high is being torn out of him. Where he was once rushing and sweaty, he is instantly and unbearably wet and cold - and craving another pull with an almost dangerous desire. And the high isn't even all that good. SWIM would much rather a nice line instead of a lungfull, but he can't seem to think when under the influence of rock.
Also, it goes SO fast! It doesn't seem to matter whether SWIM purchases a 40-piece or a 100-piece, they're both gone like that! SWIM has had enough troubles with spending too much cash on Snow, but he has found himself borrowing money to futily try and maintain a crack buzz.
SWIM is generally a VERY generous person when it comes to sharing his narcotics, but he becomes an instantaneous/unreachable fiendy dick-wad after hitting the pipe. His friends have all been put out by these actions. watching as he pathetically crawls his floor for the rock he is convinced he dropped. None of them seem to get this bad, wtf?
It wouldn't upest him so much if the high was truly amazing, but, as he has stated, it is mediocre at best. But the fiending seems to come from nowhere - out of the lack of a high, as opposed to the wish to prolong the high itself.

Anyone out there in a simliar boat?Edited by: i like wimmins

[sleome741]

Isn't that how everyone reacts?

[str8ballin]

The way I see it is crack wouldnt be all that addictive if it wasnt for the taste.People I know say they smoke it not because of the buzz(which only lasts like 5-10 min),but because the taste is so good.

If I were you I would stick to just doing lines cuz that crack will fuck your life up.Believe me I have seen it happen.

[motorhead]

Yeah crack can fuk u up in a bad way in a really short amount of time. ITs like Rick James once said 'Smoking the crack pipe is like sucking the devils dick'

[scrappy]

Smoking crack is dumb. You get high for 2 seconds, then you let out the hit and start going downhill from there. I don't care what anyone says, I've tried and abused really good crack but the high is way overrated.

[whatsinaname]

Originally Posted by scrappy

Smoking crack is dumb. You get high for 2 seconds, then you let out the hit and start going downhill from there. I don't care what anyone says, I've tried and abused really good crack but the high is way overrated.

Hey cool, now none of us have to think or try it out on our own!!

We need more people like you to keep this forum filled with informative and usefull posts.

[whatsinaname]

Originally Posted by whatsinaname

Hey cool, now none of us have to think or try it out on our own!!

We need more people like you to keep this forum filled with informative and usefull posts.

Alright, I'll reply to my own post before you do and we have ourselves a good old fashioned flame-out...
I meant no disrespect (well....you know what I mean), and realize that you were stating an opinion. SWIM apologizes in advance, as while typing out the previous post, he was finishing off the last of his snap-crackle-pop, and therefore was just a little bit agitated at the time.
Not that your opinion is wrong either...I DO agree with you, but I like it (crack, that is)...and my first read-over of your post came off to me as a bit condescending.Edited by: whatsinaname

[scrappy]

i don't sweat the small stuff...flaming is a waste of time. i just post my opinions and if people don't like them it doesn't bug me

[badger2565]

I'll have to agree,swim thinks the taste is what he craves.


The high is not that great and the cost outrageous,but never the less,Swim always findhimself smokin up.


Guess that's why it's so bad.

[Kymistry]

I often wonder why people smoke crack when they can just do a line or two and get the exact same feeling . SWIK's personal opinion is that "CRACK is Wack". SWIK knows a bunch of people that snort coke and they all can maintain a job and otherwise lifestyle. People that smoke crack behave differently and are much more irratic. They stand it front of corner stores and beg for spare change. They are more prone to stealing and trying to sell people things. Why does crack do this? This is only my personal opinion and you may know someone different. So please don't be offended. But I have never seen anybody control a crack habit. The habit often controls them. So if you have an opinion on this subject please reply. Let the posting begin.

Do the drug,don't let it do you!-KYMISTRY

[zera]

Swim has used crack occasionally. Swim attends a prestigious university, where he studies computer science and has an excellent GPA. He is also successfully employed as a quant at a major Wall Street firm. Several of swims middle class friends have also used crack (most of them largely after being persuaded by swim that it wasnt the devil), and none have a problem, and all have been satisfied with a few uses. In fact most, including swim himself, prefer snorted coke because of the easier come down and the fact it lasts longer. Swim could see himself becoming a powder addict, snorting in bathrooms discretely every 30 minutes, much easier than a crack addict, smoking every 10 minutes.

As Ive tried to argue on the forums several time before, the correlation between crack use and negative behaviour doesnt imply causation. A non heavy user is going to be much more likely to use powder than crack. Similarly very people start off with cocaine by smoking it, most everyone starts out snorting. Cocaine takes a long time to truly alter brain structure to produce addiction, so by the time people have been in the coke culture long enough to get over the stigma of crack cocaine most likely they are already heavy, frequent users at that point, and hence more likely than powder users to exhibit the negative signs of cocaine use.

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[hoodabudda]

Originally Posted by zera

Swim has used crack occasionally. Swim attends a prestigious university, where he studies computer science and has an excellent GPA. He is also successfully employed as a quant at a major Wall Street firm. Several of swims middle class friends have also used crack (most of them largely after being persuaded by swim that it wasnt the devil), and none have a problem, and all have been satisfied with a few uses. In fact most, including swim himself, prefer snorted coke because of the easier come down and the fact it lasts longer. Swim could see himself becoming a powder addict, snorting in bathrooms discretely every 30 minutes, much easier than a crack addict, smoking every 10 minutes.

As Ive tried to argue on the forums several time before, the correlation between crack use and negative behaviour doesnt imply causation. A non heavy user is going to be much more likely to use powder than crack. Similarly very people start off with cocaine by smoking it, most everyone starts out snorting. Cocaine takes a long time to truly alter brain structure to produce addiction, so by the time people have been in the coke culture long enough to get over the stigma of crack cocaine most likely they are already heavy, frequent users at that point, and hence more likely than powder users to exhibit the negative signs of cocaine use.

well without getting into racisim, the majority of crack is smoked in poorer neiborhoods and powder is not very common in the more ghetto areas due to it price except for the dealers that make it into rock. swim dosent know for sure but is guessing after weed, in the hood the next step would be crack chips in a blunt, then the pipe. swim himself has smoked crack and it made him feel "fly" like a pimp or snoop dogg, powder made him feel more macho and aggressive.

[vantranist]

^^ SWIM would say that is most likely based on ur mind set going into it.

[rsxshift]

Swim wonders what the difference between cocaine and crack is in terms of the euphoric effect and which is generally more expensive(no prices).

Swim sometimes takes crack, and constantly has to lick lips and suck in lips. Swim is wondering the scientific reason for this.

Swim also needs to be sitting down / relaxing in order to experience the effects of crack or swim will feel tired when walking around / doing activities. Swim wonders why?

Swim appreciates any help.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Crack cocaine is absorbed much more rapidly into the blood stream and I believe has a higher bioavailabilty. The effects are more intense than just snorting cocaine. After one has smoked crack, the HCL salt will seem pale in comparison.

SWIM licks his lips also, I don't think there is a scientific reason for this, its just a natural reaction to the local anesthetic effect around the mucous membranes of the mouth.

Where SWIM is from most people will cook their own from cocaine HCL. Buying rocks tends to be much more expensive by weight, but is available in much smaller, more marketable amounts.

It is also quite natural for SWIY to feel tired. Tiredness and depression are part of the crash.

[Benga]

some of the odd effects on the mouth have been discussed in this thread

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32212

by browsing the cocaine forum swiyou might find threads on differences between crack and cocaine HCl such as this one :

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34358

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[Orchid_Suspiria]

Why do people like crack?They get a good feeling for about ten seconds,feel paranoid and jittery for about ten minutes,and then want more?Why?Why devote so much time to something so futile?If they are going to get hooked on something atleast choose something that really does feel good like uh opium.Swim just does not get it?What is the crackhead mentallity?

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wrong, you cant speak in certain terms . your off

[stanlee]

Can you tell me what "swim, and swiy" mean I cant see to find out? Thanks

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Its very easy to find out what swim and swiy mean,read the rules!Swim would tell you but it's probably a good idea to read the rules so this will be an incentive to do that.

[Heretic.Ape.]

I don't think SWIM is specifically mentioned in the rules... but it has been a while since I read them.
Check out this thread and hopefully many answers will be found my friend.
Noob Survival Guide: Drugs-Forum 101

[stanlee]

It wasnt, not that I noticed at least. Going to check out that link APE. Latez

[Swimster]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

Why do people like crack?They get a good feeling for about ten seconds,feel paranoid and jittery for about ten minutes,and then want more?Why?Why devote so much time to something so futile?If they are going to get hooked on something atleast choose something that really does feel good like uh opium.Swim just does not get it?What is the crackhead mentallity?

There are far more pathetic things people will do to get high.
(huffing)

Also, swim could bet if a "crack-head" were to try Opium, they may well just make it there new love.

...probably never ran past something like O. It really depends what and when people have an oportunity to use something. hell, swim knows a number of crack users who havent even heard of O, aswell as other powerfull substances.



key: Not everyone has the "hook-up", or oppertunity for other substances.

[augentier]

Orchid, my cat agrees with you.. she smoked crack several times this summer and thought what a waste of money..so easy to blow a hundred bucks on something that is only going to last someone a couple hours..and in 10 min intervals, if that..and the euphoria was so subtle it was easy to miss, actually she didn't think it was there at all after a few sessions..she walked out with sweaty paws, a nasty taste in her mouth, and a less valuable sum of money..

[AceOvArts]

Asking why someone would do something is a futile question. It all depends on the individual. You may well ask why someone would become addicted to something when someone else wouldnt. You know, if swiy ever find the answer I should think there would be lots of money to be made somewhere

[dbjay417]

A lot of crackheads can function without crack. They can go to work, or to PTA meetings without having to smoke crack.

Opiate addiction is a full time addiction. If an opiate addict, tried to work an 8 hour shift without getting a fix, they'd be feeling ill in 4 hours, and by the end of their shift they would be so dope sick their coworkers or boss would probably have to call an ambulance or relative to come get them.

Opiate use is fun, but opiate addiction from my POV is a nightmare like drowning or being burned alive. The opiate addicts I've met cant function without it cause their sick, and cant function with it, because their high.