mimosa as a solo drink ingredient (and the risks involved)

[Pinkadelic]

Hello everyone.
SWIM was wondering what are the risks of drinking mimosa hostilis (tenuiflora) alone, without MAOI.
SWIM read the Jonathan Ott article at erowid about mimosa working in a drink (tap water, no heat involved) and wanted to try it.
so if anyone here knows the risks, it'll be much obliged.
thx

P.S
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mimosa/mimosa_info2.shtml (jonathan ott's interview)

[Heretic.Ape.]

I'm not aware of risks but it will not be effective without the maoi.

[Raz]

Originally Posted by heretic.ape.

I'm not aware of risks but it will not be effective without the maoi.

Originally Posted by Eirias

A simple ayahuasca-like tea made from Mimosa hostilis rootbark
and some lemon juice in water will provide an oral DMT experience
without the need for any MAOI plants. The effects of the brew
should last about 3 hours.
Thoroughly boil the plant material and then squeeze out
the remaining liquid 3 times total, and then boil it down to a
reasonable drinkable amount. Possibly 30 grams of ground/shredded
rootbark would be a good strong dose for an average sized human (i.e. this should contain from ~100 to ~250 mgs. of n,n-DMT).

Mimosa can do without MAOI:

[Pinkadelic]

yeah, thats what SWIM was thinking...
but jonathan ott, plus another dude tried it, and they said it works?
SWIM really wants to know if someone have ever tried MHRB without MAOI, and what was the effect/

[disposition]

hi
It barely works at all
swim noticed hightened concentration of small specific areas acoompanied by barely any visuals at all.
side effects have been experienced, because ott does not mention a process which removes the tannins that can cause stomach pain, and other such reactions. which swim later discovered and would have made things more pleasant, for swim it simply wasn't powerful enough, kind of exhausting without much reward, and unwanted side effects from not removing the tannins. If swiy really must go forth, then find that process, and good luck.
but it would probably be better to come across some syrian rue or caapi vine, for use as an MAO-I to make the root bark orally active.

[Pinkadelic]

another question.
after SWIM ingests MAOI, how much time does he have to wait before he can eat again?

[disposition]

swim's guess is sometime in the come down, maybe even afterwards. but swim, being unexperienced in the ayahuasca field and assuming swiy would be hungry especially if a purge accompanies the trip. swim would think of no desire to eat during the insanity, also watch what swiy eats with a combination of MAO-I erowid has a list of foods and drugs that could react harmfully, swim remembers one being bananas. What could also have an effect is the type of MAO-I, there's natural ones from plants and synthetic ones. As long as the food ingested doesn't conflict with the MAO-I, swim would think swiy could eat whenever you want, but it might minimize effects, as does a full stomach with other substances.

[Pinkadelic]

hmm ok.
but when can swim eat anything that does conflicts with the maoi?
swim researched maoi a bit, and found that its effects are irreversible, and once it innhibited the monoamine oxidase, it will stay like that until replaced by the natural cycle of the body, which takes two weeks.
is this true with every maoi (including the natural occurring ones in the caapi and syrian rue) or only in pharmaceutical maois?
swim thanks you for your help

[disposition]

swim wouldn't eat any food that interferes a few days before with both of them, and then like said above 2 weeks after. swim also isn't sure if that goes for both natural and synthetic ones though.

[Swimster]

Thats what they will tell you when perscribed. Just be safe by it anyway.
lookup a chart, and studdy these MAOI's. Most of the ones swim encountered,
took up to a couple of weeks, for him to be safe to eat like a pig again.
you must be care-full with MAOI's.

toomuch serotonin is not pretty. Swim saw a swimer go through it with
extacy and an MAOI.

~BECAREFULL

[snapper]

Harmaline, harmine and other betacarbolines are reversible MAOIs, meaning they wear off within 8 hours or so. Avoid MAOI foods for 24 hours before and after and you should be fine. Irreversible MAOIs are the older prescribed ones for depression.
Some have found activity with MHRB alone, but the question is how it was extracted. SWIM knows DMT is not orally active, so either it contains an MAOI (which I think it does) or there is another substance partially responsible for activity. SWIM does not know which of these components may be extracted and which left behind, which may account for variable activity of the root bark alone.

[Pinkadelic]

well SWIM red the Jonathan Ott interview where he says Kokusaginine is probably acting as a maoi in the MHRB, but he couldnt prove it.
but if that is the case, how does kokusaginine works? swim never heard of that substance...
any help?