sent under

[andersite]

swims done pills many times for quite a while now and each time even if the "up" isnt apparenet (usually as the tolerance builds up and after a cut out period the usual up returns) swims never been sent under but swim knows people who get "sent under" in their early stages aswell as later experiences. swim wonders why they dont, luck? and is getting sent under the result of bad pills as swim has had bad pills but managed to just accept they werent working and had a good time anyway but many getting sent under seem to not be able to shake it. is it a depression? swim apologises for so many questions but would like to know what causes it and what is it like?

[chunky funky basslines]

what exactly do you mean by 'sent under'?

[andersite]

its the term they use. i dont know what it entails but basically if your dancing and get "sent under" you have to sit down or in most cases people go home as it can prove dangerous, possibly mentally but i really dont know. its what everyone i know calls it

[chunky funky basslines]

i've not heard of it nor have i really hear of anything like that happening, i guess its just being too fucked.

although some people i know claim to get what they call 'dead weight' where they are virtually unable to move, most times they claim this to happen after having taken upwards of ten e's, more than is worth taking.

[andersite]

no its not that as swim takes considerably more than some of these people. and its sort of like that but more unwillingness to move. everyone swims spoken to has said its hard to descirbe or dont want to talk about it but ones said its being abit down and drunk...it happens alot when swims out and there will always be at least one person saying theyve got sent under. maybe its just a mind set thing from swims area as it seems not to be common on here

[chunky funky basslines]

yeah, some of my friends do occasionally just sit there and have no intention of moving or dancing, usually complining of being freezing cold, but if you feel them they are burning up, although apart from the shiveryness they say they feel kinda nice just a little unsettled.

[Nacumen]

Lots of times after long nights of E SWIM has known people to become incoherent in their speech and just overall too 'fucked up' to enjoy the rolls, where the euphoria is still present but ithe night's just been too drawn out to be exciting anymore. Is this similar to what you're referring to?

[andersite]

not really as thats more of a comedown effect ive experienced or not come down just post roll feeling but the sent under thing happens either by not coming up or not coming up properly and finding everything broing without having the euphoria. most people whove been sent under who ive seen, have had it happen either instead of coming up or within an hour of doing so

[chunky funky basslines]

Originally Posted by Nacumen

Lots of times after long nights of E SWIM has known people to become incoherent in their speech and just overall too 'fucked up' to enjoy the rolls, where the euphoria is still present but ithe night's just been too drawn out to be exciting anymore. Is this similar to what you're referring to?

thats what swim feels like often once it gets to 7 or 8am, too tired to stay awake, too wired to go to sleep, and fairly fucked up, swim often experiences dream like scenarios in his head whilst still conscious at this point.

[andersite]

not really as thats more of a comedown effect swims experienced or not come down just post roll feeling but the sent under thing happens either by not coming up or not coming up properly and finding everything broing without having the euphoria. most people whove been sent under who swims seen, have had it happen either instead of coming up or within an hour of doing so

[Nacumen]

I'm beginning to think that the pills in your area may be routinely cut with some other substance other than MDMA (not that this is uncommon at all - but your description doesn't sound like something that would ever come from pure molly). Does this sound feasible? Do you know if a good portion of your area's pills are made from the same source?

Many entheogenic tryptamines and phenethylamines have intense or rough come-ups which could explain the 'sent under' condition. It would not be surprising if the pills in your area are in fact cut with a research chemical which is intended to imitate MDMA, though this is actually less likely than I originally thought, as most of these are already scheduled in the UK.

[andersite]

there are several different sources but the majority of people get them from the same 3 or 4 people and its very likely but swim doesnt know why as swim takes the same batch, aware that each pill is different but swims done over 100 pills in swims life and had bad ones and felt ill and such but nothing that any of thses other people are describing. oh well looks like its a local mystery

[radiometer]

It sounds to me like what you are describing is the effects of tolerance. How frequently are these friends taking pills?