The rumors were true!!

[Swing]

Swim thought that only a few states sold codeine behind-the-counter and that the shitty stuff in Canada was the only you could get. But swim did some research and found out that practically all the states in the US sell prescription strength codeine cough syrup without a prescription behind-the-counter as a schedule 5 with the pharmacists discretion. So this morning swim called all the local ma and pa pharmacies and had to drive 30 minutes out of his way to a small town where a pharmacist told them they had it in stock and swim just needed to bring his drivers liscense. When swim got there the phamacist was a genuine asshole and wouldn't sell to him because he wasn't a local and he likes to monitor who takes it. So swim went to the other pharmacy down the street and they sold him a small bottled that contained 236 mg of codeine with guiafenesin no questions asked. Only down side is that they take information off your liscense so you can't buy it too often. Needless to say swim chugged down the bottle in one gulp and felt pretty damn good for under 10 dollars!! This is definitely swim's discovery of the week!!! =)

[fnord]

huh,me thinks my friends will have some calling around to do!dont let this secret get out!

[Abrad]

Codeine with guaifenesin is not suitable for recreational use. Please use products which contain codeine as their only active ingredient, overdosing on guaifenesin can cause death.

[fnord]

how much guafifenesin is in it?

[toe]

Hehehe, I *just* posted this in the other codeine thread.

[Swimster]

swim finds this interesting, as codeine is scedule 2 in the us.

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by Swimster

swim finds this interesting, as codeine is scedule 2 in the us.

codeine is only schedule 2 when its sold as sulfate. Pure codeine in pill form is c-2.

When its sold with tylenol or asprin or in cough syrup then its only c-4 (shedule 4 )

Here an example. If dr is going to prescribe pure codeine sulfate then it would be writen on a triplicate type prescription and if he is ordering codeine with anything else in it i.e. tylenol or dimetap then the prescription is written on regular forms. like the kind a dentist uses or the like

[Tortoise]

In Australia, one can simply walk into any pharmacy and get a number of APAP/codeine aspirin/codeine or ibuprofen/codeine tablets containing up to 15mg of codeine per tablet.

Skippy the bush kangaroo found a chemist that has packs of 24x500mg/10mg APAP/codeine for AU$3.50 (that's about US$3.00) and they're just sitting there on the shelf - not even behing the counter!!! Of course, they'll start to ask questions if you take too many, but apart from that it's a little too easy!

Doesn't quite make up for the fact that Kratom and Salvia Divinorum are totally illegal here though

[Swing]

Guiafenesin is okay to take in large amounts. It's just a cough expectorant. Swim sips a lot of sizzurp and all of it usually comes with guiafensin. Swim does not believe it to have any CNS value what so ever or any adverse reactions with kidneys/liver etc... Interesting enough my sister gets legit hydrocodone/guiafenesin prescriptions from her docter for pain relief instead of pills (for obvious reasons compare 270 ml of 1mg/ml to a bottle of twenty 5/500's) and her doctor is cool with it because some breakthrough research points toward that guiafensin may even help with muscle relief and other pain.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Dangerous advice. Guiafensin is NOT safe to take in large amounts.

[rxbandit]

Swim is pretty sure if too much guia.. is consumed you may end up vommiting fairly violently, but thats just swims experience with OTC dosing.

[MrJim]

Too Much Guasfenisen isn't OK. It will make one violently ill.

[solo5010]

Originally Posted by beentheredonethatagain

codeine is only schedule 2 when its sold as sulfate. Pure codeine in pill form is c-2.

When its sold with tylenol or asprin or in cough syrup then its only c-4 (shedule 4 )

Here an example. If dr is going to prescribe pure codeine sulfate then it would be writen on a triplicate type prescription and if he is ordering codeine with anything else in it i.e. tylenol or dimetap then the prescription is written on regular forms. like the kind a dentist uses or the like

This is almost all wrong. According to the DEA Drug Scheduling Codeine alone and not in combination with anything is a CII like you said. But in combination with acetaminophen or asprin its a CIII and at a reduced concentration in combination with atleast one other therapuetic drug its a CV (cough syrups).There are actually only 2 drugs that are Narcotic that are a CIV, Dextropropoxyphene (darvon,darvocet) and Difenoxin (Motofen) an anti-diaoreha pill.http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html

[solo5010]

Originally Posted by beentheredonethatagain

codeine is only schedule 2 when its sold as sulfate. Pure codeine in pill form is c-2.

When its sold with tylenol or asprin or in cough syrup then its only c-4 (shedule 4 )

Here an example. If dr is going to prescribe pure codeine sulfate then it would be writen on a triplicate type prescription and if he is ordering codeine with anything else in it i.e. tylenol or dimetap then the prescription is written on regular forms. like the kind a dentist uses or the like

Oh yea, also not all States require Doctors to use a triplicate form anymore.SWIM didnt have there Percocets on triplicate and they are a CII.

[4chanspy]

is this syrup in ontario canada?

[beentheredonethatagain]

okay C III or C IV not a big deal they need a prescription either way, and not sold OTC. but thank you for the correction.

In my book , if it ain't a CII then it aint shit.

[cyndi]

Originally Posted by solo5010

Oh yea, also not all States require Doctors to use a triplicate form anymore.SWIM didnt have there Percocets on triplicate and they are a CII.

Boy they do in my state. Percs, oxy, any of the CII's are triplicate. Now I believe norcos, vicodin and such would be a CIII correct? These are not triplicates. I didn't know they sold codiene cough syrup behind the counter here, I bet not in my state. Good grief they are tough on drug laws. Also benzos would be in the CIV class and are not triplicates. Someone posted a link, good info.

Oh I am moving to Australia now. Just kidding. You guys are lucky.

[solo5010]

Yes hydrocodone/apap combos are CIII. Also in every state unless there is a specific state law against it, which I dont think any state has, Codeine cough syrups are available from the pharmacist without an RX, they are a CV not a CIV. There are down sides, its usually any where from 4-8oz is the max the pharmacist can give you, you do have to show ID and they document how much you get, also about the guaifenesin in excess I think it can give you really bad gas and the shits maybe even worse problems. Whenever SWIM got it, they usually went to the pharmacist and just asked "can I get a small bottle of Robitussin AC please". And then the onslaught of, "do you have an RX","why do you need it" "are you 18" "blah blah blah" came on. And SWIM would be "honest" with the Pharmacist, and tell him/her that SWIM wasnt going to pay $100 dollar office visit fee for a $9 bottle of cough syrup that SWIM knows works the best. Or that SWIM was very sensitive to DXM (the cough suppresant in all the other OTC syrups) and you have had Robitussin AC before, and you know that it works. Another downside there is only 10mg Codeine per 5mL(tablespoon) and like 100mg Guaifenesin.

[beentheredonethatagain]

But as I was saying in another post , actual triplicate prescripitons pads do not exist any longer , they use for those type of prescriptions a different type of pad, it is wider and has watermarks aswell as other forgery preventions.

[Nagognog2]

Guaifenesin is a smooth-muslle relaxant. Your lungs are smooth-muscles. When they get clogged with phlegm - it helps to take guaifenesin to help you cough up the muck so it's not just rattling about. Why they add that to DXM or codeine in syrups is beyond me. Your cough would go away faster if you could just yack up the muck. Taking too much guaifenesin leads to vomiting and diahrrea. When Bongo gets "the cruds" as he calls it - he buys straight guaifenesin syrup. It's cheaper, too, than the ones cut with DXM.

My main concern with OTC codeine and acetaminophen (et al) is severe kidney and liver damage. Please look into the cold-water-extraction (CWE) process easily found through the forum Search Engine.

By the by, Codeine and acetaminophen, aspirin, ibuprofen is not a schedule IV drug in the USA. It is a schedule III.

[solo5010]

Originally Posted by beentheredonethatagain

But as I was saying in another post , actual triplicate prescripitons pads do not exist any longer , they use for those type of prescriptions a different type of pad, it is wider and has watermarks aswell as other forgery preventions.

This maybe true in your State. In mine, its not. CII are written on the same pad the doc writes CIII and even non controlled. Also doctors arent limited to one specific kind of pad they can use. If youve even stood in a long line at a pharmacy and looked at the scriptes everyones holding, you will probably see a different style in each persons hand. Just for the sake of repeating it, Codeine products that contain more than 10mg in combo with another product at a therapeutic level are CIII.

[solo5010]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Guaifenesin is a smooth-muslle relaxant. Your lungs are smooth-muscles. When they get clogged with phlegm - it helps to take guaifenesin to help you cough up the muck so it's not just rattling about. Why they add that to DXM or codeine in syrups is beyond me. Your cough would go away faster if you could just yack up the muck.

The reason they do this is so, your not coughing non-stop uncontrollably and spewing phlem all over the place. Codeine and DXM dont completely supress your cough reflexes, just the really really bad ones. So these combinations result in less frequent but more productive coughs. Supposedly.

[solo5010]

Im not sure if im retarded and cant find it, or it doesnt exist but I cant find where I can edit my post. I forgot something.
A little side note, there are no RX medications in the USA that contain Codeine in combo with Ibuprofen

[Heretic.Ape.]

You will be able to edit posts when you become a silver member (get 5 reputation points).

[Orchid_Suspiria]

The only opiate/ibuprofen combo swim can think of off the top of his head is vicoprofen(hydrocodone ibuprofen).

[solo5010]

The only other Ibuprofen/Narcotic combo is Combunox. Its pretty new and way expensive. Its a combo of Ibuprofen and Oxycodone.