chewing salvia divinorum

[Bodhisattva500]

does anyone have any experience chewing salvia leaves. I hear this is how the indians do it. How much does it take and what is it like?

[wednesday]

i tried it once after soaking the leaves overnight and it didn't really give me more than a buzz, i chewed them for about an hour maybe a bit longer and let the juices soak under my tongue and into my gums...

i would love to get the full affect of salvia this way because it is said to last much longer

PAUL

[djryand]

Here is the best way to quid with Salvia......

If you are using dry leaves, you should hydrate them in a little water. Then put them in your mouth and create a ball with them. Chew & slosh them around for a couple of minutes, then keep the ball under your tounge. Then, the best way for the Salvinorin to absorb is in the back of your mouth near your throat. Keep as much of the juices in your mouth as possible, WITHOUT swallowing. Tilt your head slightly back and allow the juices to linger in the back of your mouth. I have been told that the membranes in the back of your mouth near the throat are the most effective at absorption. Do this for about 30 minutes, and you should be good to go. Hope this helps.

[djryand]

Oh yeah. Forgot to tell you how many leaves to take. I would recommend at least 6-10 large leaves. Obviously the more the better, but not so much that you gag yourself.

[Bodhisattva500]

Thanks a lot i will try this ASAP

[scyrusurcys]

I've read about a ''tasty'' new recipe that someone has mixed up for anyone wishing to try the quid (oral) method. I did not create this recipe (notice quotation marks for open/closed quotes), so please don't hold me responsible for any mis-haps while experiencing with it, although it does sound like it would help out a lot. So, (drumroll.......) here it is:
"Salvia: Oral Recipe
What you will need:
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<LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: blue; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in">Filter Paper or Coffee Filter </LI>
<LI =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: blue; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in">Tea Strainer Or Fine Mesh Sieve </LI>[/list]1. Powder 5 grams of dried Salvia Divinorum leaves. A coffee grinder will work if it is the type with a small bowl and a spinning blade. A mortar and pestle is best though.
2. In the jar or flask, combine your powdered Salvia with the 100ml of solvent. (A note on solvents; any polar solvent will work but for this extraction, an alcohol is best - either 151 proof Everclear or 70% Isopropyl Alcohol [rubbing alcohol].)
3. Let this mixture sit for 10 hours..
4. Add your 900ml of water to the flask or jar. Adding water to the alcohol lowers the solubility of the active ingredient (Salivorin A) to the point that it will fall out or become detacthed from it's original chemical makeup. This will make your 1-liter solution look slightly cloudy; it is the clouds that you want. Now let thissit for 5 minutes.
5. Set up your funnel: with the strainer at the top, then the filter paper under the strainer, and the bowl underneath both strainer and filter paper.
6. Pour the solution from the flask into the funnel, through the strainer and filter, andinto the bowl. Do it slowly; don’t let the liquid get more than half way up the filter paper.
7. Wash out your flask or jar with more water to get any residue off the bottom; again, pour it through the filters.
8. Discard the liquid and save the paper. You should notice a nice round area on your paper that looks slightly green or yellow.
9. Dry your paper in an oven; 2 minutes on 300 degrees will work fine. It will now look as though you have crystals on your paper, and indeed you do.
10. Cut this circular green area into five equal pieces, each one is good for a nice oral trip, or maybe two trips for each strip whensmoked.


To use, simply take one of your strips and place it under your tongue; in about fifteen minutes, you will begin to feel the effects. A strip may also be smoked for more immediate effects. The advantages of this method are that there is no harsh smoke, and no bitter taste."


If anyoneattempts this, please let us know how it went and/or if you added or subtracted anything from this recipe and got a better result. Happy cooking!


[Credit is given from meto the person(s) who created this recipe.]

[wednesday]

before i go to work tonight im going to get the rubbing alcohol and filter paper and i will set everything up tonight and we will see tommorow how well it works


can i use a tea bag as the strainer...or should i use something else...

paul

[wednesday]

i bought coffee filters
90% rubbing alcohol
i put a little more than 5 grams
so i tried to add the rubbing alcohol acordingly
my mom has awesome mason jars (glass with air tight lids) and i told her i was doing a project for school so im using one
hopefully all the water and such will fit...im pretty sure there are just one liter...

oh well, anyway i have the first mixture (salvia leaf and 91% Isopropyl) and i jsut have to wait until this time tommorow to add the water and such...i will report back on how that goes
Paul

[wednesday]

sigh i tried it today and it didn't go to well

i probably did something wrong but i didn't get any effects and i waited half an hour

so i took the rest...still nothing

i used about 6 or 7 grams of leaf
and maybe more like 110 or 120 ml of the rubbing alcohol...the kind i got is 91% isopropyl...it said 70% percent above but i wasn't sure if this would make a difference

and then like 920 ml of water

(i did let it sit over night (more than 10 hours) before i added the water

the i set up my funnel with a tea bag at the top to catch any salvia which didn't work very well and then the funnel and then the coffee filter at the bottom

got it al lthrough and went upstiars and put it in the over waited a while and i din't think i saw any crystals so i waited a bit longer

then i went downstairs and tore i piece off...left it under my tongue and didn't swallow any of it

so did i do something wrong or does this just not work?

Paul

(ps i ended up smoking a nice bowl of salvia so i still got to go to salvia world
there were elephant people dancing around me and i was ontop of a shrub plant asking them who i was) that was the most memorable part

[scyrusurcys]

Hmmm. . . Not quite sure if you did something wrong, or if the directions were wrong. Again, these are not my instructions, so I have no idea if it is refutable or not,although it seems that they are quite accurate and havehad time put into them just by reading them. What would happen if you decreased the watervolume to, say, about 600ml?Also, I'm not sure if you need to use 70% Isopropyl or not. I wouldn't know if that exact percent would be mandatory. Has anyone else tried this method? Please post if you have!

[wednesday]

im making another batch now...i shoudl take it out soon

i left it in longer with jsut the isopropyl

why would i try less water...??

i just need a little help

i am using like the big coffee filter how big of a funnel should i use?

no crystals showed up when i put it in the oven...did i do anything wrong i put it in at 200 egrees for a couple minutes

Paul

[scyrusurcys]

Forgive me for my lack of knowledge, but I just thought by adding less water you might get a less diluted substance and more out of the recipe; I'm probably wrong, though. The recipe calls for 300 degrees; are you sure you did it on 200? Try to dry it just a little bit longer on 300, maybe? And as for the funnel, I really couldn't tell you how large it has to be, but just enought that you won't spill it over when you're pouring it into the strainer or the filter. Make sure you go nice and slow and not to overflow the filter. Keep in mind that I've never tried this method.-------- Leave us an update!

[scyrusurcys]

I forgot to ask you in my last post: how long did you keep it in your mouth? I'm guessing that this method will be like the quid method, but without the quid. Try holding it in your mouth without swallowing for atleast a half hour ( that's what the quid method recommends for any effects). Try, if youcan, to chew the paper once every 10-20 seconds.


Have you tried smoking this piece of filter paper? I wouldn't try smoking the whole strip - maybe half or less to start out with.This whole recipe is basically for making an extract of SalvinorinA, but the exact amount of extract you'll get is unknown to me. The way to make extracts is to take leaves and filter Salvinorin A out of them by using an alcohol and to heat the leftovers to form crystals. Aexcellent in-depth andchronological picture guidereview can be found here: http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/...raction4.shtml.

[wednesday]

so with my new batch what im trying is taking half of the solution through the tea bag into a mason jar and thn i am evaporating that

i have a fan on high right over it and a very bright slash very hot light pointing at it...even just in an hour i can see evaporation

this should leave behind the crystals on the glass so i figure i can srcape them off the glass

so im going to see how this works and then i am going to haev to do something with the other half

ideas?
Paul

[scyrusurcys]

First of all, DO NOT USE A LOT OF THE CRYSTALS WHEN SMOKING THEM. There's not really an exact measure of how much Salvinorin A is going to be in these crystals. If you make the extract from the link that I posted in that last post of mine, only use (MAYBE) a "few tenths of a milligram" or less, so says the author of that extraction process (very bottom picture, right-hand side of page). Post another update after your crystals appear and all solution is evaporated.

[wednesday]

i have definately heard this..not using very much...and very much being a very very small amount...
i see what looks like some crystlas on the side of the jar from the evaporation but im sure the best will be at the bottom

im wondering if i should put the rest of the liquid into another jar, go ahead and put the liquid into the jar with the other fluid in it (thats evaporating) or if i should wait until the evaporation is done and then pour it in...

the set up im using has a fan right over the top of the jar and for about an hour at a time i turn on the light that is right next to it...im not sure if that really does anything or not, but it just gives me something to do while i wait

[wednesday]

oh and im trying to evaporate this in a tall jar shoudl i try and use a plate? like a glass plate or should i try something else?

i just want to do the most effective way and im thinking maybe the jar isn't the best way

Paul

[scyrusurcys]

LoL... Yeah, I guess I should have asked what kind of container you were evaporating it from. Sorry. - The best way to evaporate it is to find the largest (and by that, I mean the biggest in length on all sides) glass pan or glass dish to put your liquid in. Preferably glass, because in the end, when the heating is done, it will be easier to scrape off the crystals/wax from. Also, the fan is a good idea as it will speed the evaporation process up. Try to get the biggest light bulb you can, and put it as close to it as possible without it touching the liquid (about3-5 inches above the pan to be on the safe side) and also putyour pan, light bulb and fanin the hottest room you have available. A portable heater facing onto the pan would be great, too - but make sure it's at a safe distance from anything that would risk catching fire. Tell us how it goes...

[wednesday]

so after its all evaporated i need to heat it?

the only thing i could find for the moment is a rather shallow metal plate...but i thought that would work pretty well

i think anyway

what im doing right now is putting the liquid on the plate and then adding more and evaporating that...is that going to work do you think...

im thinking once i get the crystlas (if i ever do) that i will get them off with a razor and then put a little bit on some kind of paper maybe that has a drop of water on it scrape the crystals on it and take it sublingually

i think that should work, maybe im wrong though

thanks for all the help man i would be so lost minus you

Paul

[wednesday]

ok so its all evaporated now...i have two piles of different stuff left

i have a pile of powdery green...it looks shiny...maybe crystlas?

and a pile of like black stuff that was on one side of the plate...kind of almost papery...you cansee through some of it...its just very dark

so...what should i do?

im a bit confused

its all scraped into two piles i used a razor and pretty much everything that was left on the paper after evaporation is scraped up just a little more i can get if i want but i need to know which one to use...if i should use either...

thanks

Paul

[scyrusurcys]

Ok, from what you've told me, it seems that you have successfully completed this recipe! If your powder looks anything like these:





- then you have completed the process.Your powder IS salvia extract. I think. -Ihave never made or seen extract in person.But like I said earlier, and like the guy that made the extract page that I had in one of my previous posts, we stated NOT to use a lot. MAYBE a few tenths of a milligram or less for smoking. But I'm not sure how much you would need to use for a sublingual dose. I'm just giving this a shot, but what if: you took the original wieght of your leaves and divided it by the weight of extract that you have now. Would that not be equal to thepotency level? (25g of leaves [divided by] 5g of leftover extract = 5x ?) I've read some places that they take 50 leaves and infuse all of that extractof those 50 leaves into 10 leaves, giving you a 5x extract within the 10 new leaves. - By the way, what color is your powder closest to in the picture above? I wonder if the color has anything to do with the potency. Check back later!

[wednesday]

mine looks like the second one a light green

Paul

(i saw you added me on yahoo messenger i can't wait to talk to you)

thanks so much

Paul

[wednesday]

now that i look at it again it might be the darker one

can you add this extract to an already extracted leaf

like adding this over 10X leaf? or would that even work

i am very excited i thought i would just waste all of it but my experiment actually worked for once

Paul

[Bodhisattva500]

Congratulations on the extraction, watch out for colorful jellyfish attacking you. They get me every time when i smoke sally

[wednesday]

can i smoke this extract or should i put it over something else...more salvia...weed...whatever i have lying around at the time

i think im going to try this again

do you think it would be possible to do with extracts...

like if i got 5 grams of 10X or soemthing...would the resulting extraction be more powerful...how would that work...

just questions

thanks so much

Paul