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Old 19-06-2007, 05:33
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Zero Tolerance Policies Are Stupid

Va. School's No-Contact Rule Is a Touchy Subject

Fairfax County middle school student Hal Beaulieu hopped up from his lunch table one day a few months ago, sat next to his girlfriend and slipped his arm around her shoulder. That landed him a trip to the school office.
Among his crimes: hugging.

All touching -- not only fighting or inappropriate touching -- is against the rules at Kilmer Middle School in . Hand-holding, handshakes and high-fives? Banned. The rule has been conveyed to students this way: "NO PHYSICAL CONTACT!!!!!"

School officials say the rule helps keep crowded hallways and lunchrooms safe and orderly, and ensures that all students are comfortable. But Hal, 13, and his parents think the school's hands-off approach goes too far, and they are lobbying for a change.

"I think hugging is a good thing," said Hal, a seventh-grader, a few days before the end of the school year. "I put my arm around her. It was like for 15 seconds. I didn't think it would be a big deal."

A Fairfax schools spokesman said there is no countywide ban like the one at Kilmer, but many middle schools and some elementary schools have similar "keep your hands to yourself" rules. Officials in Arlington, Loudoun and Prince George's counties said schools in those systems prohibit inappropriate touching and disruptive behavior but don't forbid all contact.

Deborah Hernandez, Kilmer's principal, said the rule makes sense in a school that was built for 850 students but houses 1,100. She said that students should have their personal space protected and that many lack the maturity to understand what is acceptable or welcome.

"You get into shades of gray," Hernandez said. "The kids say, 'If he can high-five, then I can do this.' "

She has seen a poke escalate into a fight and a handshake that is a gang sign. Some students -- and these are friends -- play "bloody knuckles," which involves slamming their knuckles together as hard as they can. Counselors have heard from girls who are uncomfortable hugging boys but embarrassed to tell anyone. And in a culturally diverse school, officials say, families might have different views of what is appropriate.

It isn't as if hug police patrol the Kilmer hallways, Hernandez said. Usually an askance look from a teacher or a reminder to move along is enough to stop girls who are holding hands and giggling in a huddle or a boy who pats a buddy on the back. Students won't get busted if they high-five in class after answering a difficult math problem.

Typically, she said, only repeat offenders or those breaking other rules are reprimanded. "You have to have an absolute rule with students, and wiggle room and good judgment on behalf of the staff," Hernandez said.

Hal's parents, Donna and Henri, say that they think Kilmer is a good school and that their son is thriving there. He earns A's and B's and, before this incident, hadn't gotten in any trouble. Still, they say they encourage hugging at home and have taught him to shake hands when he meets someone. They agree that teenagers need to have clear limits but don't want their son to get the message that physical contact is bad.

"How do kids learn what's right and what's wrong?" Henri Beaulieu asked. "They are all smart kids, and they can draw lines. If they cross them, they can get in trouble. But I don't think it would happen too often." Beaulieu has written a letter to the county School Board asking it to review the rule.
Hal's troubles began one day in March when he got up from his assigned cafeteria table and went to a nearby table where his then-girlfriend was sitting. He admits he broke one rule -- getting up from his assigned table without permission -- and he accepts a reprimand for that. "The table thing, I'm guilty," he said.

A school security officer spotted the hug and sent Hal to the office, where he was cited for two infractions. He was warned that a third misstep could lead to in-school suspension or detention.

School officials said that the girl didn't complain and that they have no reason to believe the hug was unwelcome.

Hal said that he and his classmates understand when and how it is appropriate to hug or pat someone on the back in school and that most teenagers respect boundaries set by their peers. Today, his seventh-grade year ends as school lets out for the summer. Next fall, he hopes Kilmer officials reconsider the rule.

"I think you should be able to shake hands, high-five and maybe a quick hug," he said. "Making out goes too far."


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Reading this article made me die a little inside. I mean seriously, what the fuck are they thinking?

There is a grey area between letting the kids high-five and shake hands and them enacting inappropriate contact? No shit. Part of life is learning what is acceptable and what is not and in what contexts, and if you make a mistake you learn from it. All I see this policy doing is making for some screwed up adults.
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Old 19-06-2007, 05:51
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Re: Zero Tolerance Policies Are Stupid

Contemporary America is a gigantic recipe for screwed-up adults. Honestly, it's a testament to the human spirit that any of you make it out half-human.

I'd say "good post" if it weren't so fucking depressing.
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Old 19-06-2007, 06:53
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Re: Zero Tolerance Policies Are Stupid

What the hell? Back is Swis's day making out in the hallway was the norm. Seriously wtf is wrong with these people? “"You get into shades of gray," Hernandez said. "The kids say, 'If he can high-five, then I can do this.'” Well bloody hell if that logic holds true we'd have anarchy in the streets. That man broke the speed limit So I can murder someone! Have these people lost contact with reality?
Assigned tables at lunch? Weird...
“many lack the maturity to understand what is acceptable or welcome.” Jee you need to be mature to understand that handshakes aren't acceptable? Seriously I'm sorry for my incoherent post but this is just weird as hell.
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Re: Zero Tolerance Policies Are Stupid

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Have these people lost contact with reality?

They´ve lost a lot more...

jeah, desolidarize all of them, make the misanthropic autistic marionettes, the next step towards 1984.

Don´s socialize, don´t talk, don´make contact, don´t chose .. we´ll tell you what to do.
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Re: Zero Tolerance Policies Are Stupid

What this article tells me is that these schools have made the same decision that a lot of parents seem to make these days - it's not my job to teach these children what is proper behavior in public!
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Re: Zero Tolerance Policies Are Stupid

Showing love is wrong people... Show hatred and reluctance towards one another, that is how we evolve as human beings.
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Old 20-06-2007, 05:14
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Re: Zero Tolerance Policies Are Stupid

zero tolorance is what cought swim's eyes.

This had to be a prepy school or something! swim's little nefew got suspended for making-out with a girl at school, but nothing like expulsion!
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Old 20-06-2007, 12:43
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Re: Zero Tolerance Policies Are Stupid

Was anyone reminded of Arrested Development, when they visit George Sr in prison and the guards are always yelling: No Touching
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Re: Zero Tolerance Policies Are Stupid

Hah the irony!By not being shown love and learning about hatered and violence rather young is just one of the many reasons swim to turned to very hard drug use very early.Sure teach people to be cold and unfeeling and they are going to cause more problems than they will solve.
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