Drug info - E. Coca vs E. novogranatense and legality?

[Katabatic]

What are the practical differences between E. Coca and E. novogranatense?

What is the legal status of these plants/seeds in the USA? I've read that E. Coca is illegal in the USA while E. novogranatense is legal. Is this true? If so, why would that be?

Thanks!

[tayo]

I think novogranatense seems to produce more cocaine product. I am pretty sure both types of seeds are illegal in the USA.

[jux]

e novagranatese falls under a legal grey area.....e coca is the only one specifically mentioned by us law, so technically, e novagranatese should be considered legal.

its a san pedro / peyote sort of thing..for some reason one is legal and the other isn't.. yet both contain mescaline...(and given the right conditions, san pedros can reach a higher mescaline content than the average peyote) who knows why they make the laws the way they do? just be happy for the loopholes....

that being said, if the cops wanted to bust you for a novagrantese, they probabally could by saying you intended to use it in an illegal way (just like the legal mescaline containing cacti).

[bcubed]

At first, I thought this would be akin to ordering GBL, in which one could be busted for the act of converting to a controlled substance under the "analogue" act.

But isn't there a distinction between the active ingredient of a plant and the plant itself? (Otherwise, the whole cannabis/marinol sched bit). So the plant still isn't illegal?

So if one imported novogranatense, for the purpose of personally consuming unrefined leaves, one might be afoul of the FDA, but not the DEA?

Please note than yopu don't need to warn sWIM away: he doesn't relish the opportunity to be a "test case."

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by bcubed

But isn't there a distinction between the active ingredient of a plant and the plant itself? (Otherwise, the whole cannabis/marinol sched bit). So the plant still isn't illegal?

No, there are laws making the plant itself illegal. Coca is listed in the UN drug conventions as a banned substance.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

No, there are laws making the plant itself illegal. Coca is listed in the UN drug conventions as a banned substance.

absolutely. the term "coca plant", "coca leaves" are specifically mentioned, and placed in the same categorie as extracted "cocaine".
some texts even go deeper in the sillyness by mentioning the term "erythroxylum"----
ie " Coca bush " means the plant of any species of the genus erythroxylon. which is absurd since Erythroxylum coca is not the only plant in the erythroxylum genus--- and de facto not applied.

please read the coca wiki's legality of coca section for more details, and quotes from the same texts.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31692

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[fnord]

if someone was found with a greenhouse full of coca,would that be grounds for assuming they are growing with the intentions of extracting coca?

[Nemba]

Originally Posted by fnord

if someone was found with a greenhouse full of coca,would that be grounds for assuming they are growing with the intentions of extracting coca?

I'm no lawyer, but I'd have to say: yes.