Papavers lacking morpine

[Laudaphun]

SWIM doesn't know the answer to this question but has often wondered... Most SWIMs know that pod tea can be pretty strong. It lasts a long time... all day basically. However, although the main active ingredient in opium is morphine and to a lesser extent if much at all codeine... the other alkaloids act together to flavor the opium high in a different manner than just straight morphine. All these alkaloids act together with the main ingredient morphine do produce the effects of opium. Even pod tea is different than say regular opium as it contains alkaloids that pure opium sap would not.

There is a species of papaver somniferum that lacks the enzyme to convert thebaine to codeine to morphine... However what effects would a tea brewed from this sort of pod yield? Or what about other related papavers like orientale or rhoeas... All papavers secrete a white milky substance whether it contains morphine or not... As a matter of fact all plants in the Family Papaveraceae secrete a white, yellow or similar substance when lanced... its only considered opium if it contains morphine.

The point SWIM is getting to is that people seem to have a hard time extracting morphine from pods, and there are many alkaloids in the plant that may have an effect. What does SWIY suppose the average morphine content of the average poppy all the SWIMS and SWIYs out there buy for tea? SWIM has limited experience with pods but noted not necessarily a stronger effect from a certain source, but a higher quality high from one source.

It is accepted for the most part that morphine is the main active ingredient, codiene while present in small amounts active as well, thebaine a stimulant if... The individual components of opium seem well studied but the interaction and synergistic effect between all the 20-some alkaloids present in opium much less well studied. SWIM doesn't question the power of the tea, he just wonders about the morphine content of it, and the extent of the role of all the other alkaloids present. SWIM wonders what effect the latex or tea from the mutant papaver somniferum lacking the enzyme to produce morphine or codiene would have, if any. But wouldn't SWIY think that it would have an effect. Does anyone know anything about this?

[MrJim]

If it is higher in thebaine content than morphine content it will make one very nauseous and tense. The effect is very unpleasant. There are other ingredients in poppy tea that wouldn`t be in cooked opium, however if one feels that unmistakable euphoria the dominant alkaloid would be morphine.
As for all the others, well I guess one way to look at it is that poppy tea varies wildly in taste, levels of euphoria, nausea, etc. depending on the strain of poppies it is brewed from, whereas cooked opium does vary in quality as well, but the endpoints between which it varies are closer together that the endpoints for tea....if I was making sense here.
I know that some people use poppy extraxt in the health food industry from the California Poppy, The Rheos variety.
I don`t know much about the concentrations in Oriental poppies, but would be very interested in finding out what its composites are and in thier respective concentraions.
Some of thse Smoking Blends and other Legal highs use some of theoriental extract, I believe. I did see it before, but in hindsight it was quite a while ago and I am not sure if they still use it, although I can`t imagine why not.

[Laudaphun]

That's what SWIM was wondering... poppy tea or opium stripped of its morphine if it would have any effect due to combo of the remaining alkaloids. Tea reminds SWIM of morphine the most of any pharmaceutical but its different still.

Anyways speaking of Papavers without morphine, SWIM found some interesting info on a wild poppy (Papaver Setigerum) which also contains morphine. Apparently it doesn't grow in the states but rather in the Mediterranean region, southwest Europe. SWIM has never heard of this before.

Does the United States even have a tincture of opium, paregoric, or anything of the likes still on the market? If so, a package insert would make for some interesting reading.

[rlj1974]

Originally Posted by Laudaphun

That's what SWIM was wondering... poppy tea or opium stripped of its morphine if it would have any effect due to combo of the remaining alkaloids. Tea reminds SWIM of morphine the most of any pharmaceutical but its different still.

Anyways speaking of Papavers without morphine, SWIM found some interesting info on a wild poppy (Papaver Setigerum) which also contains morphine. Apparently it doesn't grow in the states but rather in the Mediterranean region, southwest Europe. SWIM has never heard of this before.

Does the United States even have a tincture of opium, paregoric, or anything of the likes still on the market? If so, a package insert would make for some interesting reading.

Papaver Setigerum does grow in the states, SWIM gets his pods (Papaver Setigerum pods) from a vender that is located in the states in AZ. & the pods are grown in the states in AZ.

[MrJim]

If you are referring to the pharmaceutical market, I don't think that the states has one anymore. Typically opium tintures do vary in potency and the goal of the pharma industry is to make an identical pill time and again with no varience. There are poppy tinctures in health food stores, but again those aren't made with somniforms and I would imagine that their package inserts would be more of a "New Agey" approach to the facts.