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Old 16-06-2007, 17:50
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mood elevators (ghb style)

SWIM had the good fortune to purchase a large amount of GBL
years ago while this was still perfectly legal in the USA. SWIM
took moderate doses of this 3-4 times a week over several years,
and she finds it much missed...SWIM has spent the last several
months (her supply long exhausted) researching some sort of
legal or semi-legal alternative...having made a real and concerted
effort at this, SWIM finally asks to throw herself on the mercy of
folks for any suggestions.

SWIM will briefly summarize her experience with some candidate
substitutes below. Short version: nothing found that is very helpful.
SWIM is wondering if she is simply out of luck, or whether there might
be something left to try. SWIM would be grateful for any suggestions.

ideal sought: a GHB alternative...something that is uplifting, relatively
gentle, easy to do in company--or, alternatively, a pot substitute
(which SWIM hesitates to pursue given nazi style local law
enforcement, especially given spousal resistance on SWIM going
to prison ).

note that SWIM would consider prescription medications, esp.
those that are not controlled substances and thus easily obtainable.

Attempts:
kava: extracts (mulitple) all worthless. the actual root is active,
but the effect, at least for SWIM, is more tiring than euphoriac.
too similar in that respect to alcohol for SWIM. (is there any
point in trying more complicated extractions than just water,
i.e. could SWIM be missing some alkoid content by not having
a better mix of solvents? would the experience change enough
to bother?).

blue lotus: no appreciable effects. (dissolving extract in water
or wine).

dxm: certainly has major effects, and interesting for tripping out,
but not helpful as a GBL/GHB style substance.

phenibut: no noticeable effects.

commerical ghb substitutes sold as such: tried only one,
"liquid relaxation" which has analogue GHV in it...found one
experiment nothing happened of not, in another produced
a definitely altered but not especially pleasant (anxious,
edgey) effect. is SWIM right in presuming that other commercial
variants are equally a waste?

kanna: not yet tried but have some on hand...still researching
best method of taking and weighing the balance of experience
reports pro/con (SWIM wishes to avoid anything that might
massively increase blood pressure).

damiana: not tried recently, but experiments some years
ago proved pointless.

any thoughts?
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