Health - Heart faillure from London Underground Head Candy party pills

[Whit]

Agree:

Swim has tired "party pills" or BZP with other substance's. At the time not having tried MDMA yet, he still didn't see the point in such a waste of time. The only effects to arrise were a downing feeling, a headache and the endless hours he spent trying to get to sleep. Never would SWIM get them again.

SWIM has since tried MDMA and realises what real "Ecstacy" is like.

SWIM reccomends if you want to feel your "Ecstacy" then you should try the real thing instead of wasting your time on these unhealthy pills.

Does anyone really want to be munching on a wormer designed for farm animals?

[Micutzul]

Originally Posted by Whit

Agree:

Swim has tired "party pills" or BZP with other substance's. At the time not having tried MDMA yet, he still didn't see the point in such a waste of time. The only effects to arrise were a downing feeling, a headache and the endless hours he spent trying to get to sleep. Never would SWIM get them again.

SWIM has since tried MDMA and realises what real "Ecstacy" is like.

SWIM reccomends if you want to feel your "Ecstacy" then you should try the real thing instead of wasting your time on these unhealthy pills.

Does anyone really want to be munching on a wormer designed for farm animals?

Please don't forget that drug effects are subjective . You could have a personal low tolerance to stimulants in general or bzp in particular , or an incompatibilty with these substances . Some people can be incompatible even with substances that are generally accepted to be veeery nice ( such as amphetamines ) .Your personal experience on the subject is very appreciated , but your last paragraph was , in my opinion , very ignorant . I suppose you also have a problem with ketamine , seeing that it's main use is as an animal anesthetic , or with DXM seeing as it's main use is as an anti-cough medicine ? Or maybe even with opiates in general , seeing as the stronger ones are used to treat terminally ill people ?

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clamping down on ignorance. Kudos.

[EntheogenicTruth]

Originally Posted by Micutzul

Please don't forget that drug effects are subjective . You could have a personal low tolerance to stimulants in general or bzp in particular , or an incompatibilty with these substances . Some people can be incompatible even with substances that are generally accepted to be veeery nice ( such as amphetamines ) .Your personal experience on the subject is very appreciated , but your last paragraph was , in my opinion , very ignorant . I suppose you also have a problem with ketamine , seeing that it's main use is as an animal anesthetic , or with DXM seeing as it's main use is as an anti-cough medicine ? Or maybe even with opiates in general , seeing as the stronger ones are used to treat terminally ill people ?

I think that Whit has a point. If you do want to party on ecstasy like substances, at least make sure its marketed to you as "Ecstasy" not "a legal alternative to ecstasy".

this brings up a good point: if a legal substance makes people feel ill or have bad experiences, why dont people just stick with the tried and tested illegal ones which have a smaller number of bad reactions?

last time swim tried a legal "herbal" high a good part of most of his muscles stopped working. Dont misunderstand what im saying, i dont mind legal rcs or other legal drugs (couch syrup etc). just manufacturers who are marketing drugs to get people high LEGALLY while at the same time increasing the undesirable side effects.

it just not worth it. Swim would much rather take a substance that could potentially get him locked up than take a substance that is perfectly legal but makes him feel like crap.

and anyway wheres the fun if you cant get in a lot of trouble?

Peace

[leftover]

Hi!
Swim took one of these Head Candy (the generation 3.1) pills. It was 2hours after a big meal and only a couple of glasses of wine. No immediate effect, swim even managed to go to bed 2 or 3 hours after taking it. Swim woke up in the middle of the night and couldnt go back to sleep. Twisting, turning, tummy ache and constipation...
Swim went to work the next day feeling a little weird ( a bit like a fuzzy hangover)and tired due to lack of sleep. Sort of coping along with customers in the shop. Approx 4 hours later (roughly 14 hours after taking the pill, swim started to feel faint. Hot flushes. polputation etc. Back of swims head started to go numb, weak in the legs, arms... Swim called an ambulance and by the time they came (3 mins) she was twitching and having spazms with severe chest ache on the floor. She could just about tell them her name and details on the way to the hospital. Her head was clear but difficulty speaking as her face was numb.
First reaction the ambulance guys told swims friend she was tripping. He made clear that what swim had taken, and the fact that she had been to work until 5 minutes ago.
At hospital swims friend gave them the packaging he had kept. Drs hadnt heard much about this new legal drug. They did a bit of internet research and one comment from the dr was that it might be the high amount of magnesium in the pills that can cause spazms, but no one was sure. Swims blood results came out ok. The heart monitoring they did first was difficult as her heart rate was irregularily bouncing around off the screan. Swim was given a diazepam (orally), and some salt sollution (inter vainous) After been twiting and spazing, not feeling her arms and legs for two hours the diazipam finally stopped her twitchings. she still couldnt feel her legs for another hour. Her heart pulpotations was still happening but milder. She got sent home with no result. All they suggested was rest and not to take them again.
The thoughts going through swims head at that time was that she was dying. Her mate holing her hand when it was all happening was trying to hold a brave face not to make her panic more.
Swim had tried other legal and illegal drugs before, and never had such an effect. Swim is 30 years old and very petite (45kg) and she always take thing in small doses just to make sure...
Following instucion that said 1 tablet for under 60kg, swim didnt think she had to take an abulance ride for the first time.
I would like to know what is the so called D.O.M.S that is in these pills. Makers of these legal (dont call them herbal because they are so not) highs should have to write every single active ingredient in these things in case of allergic reactions etc. That the least they should do.
Day after (today) swim is ok but has weird feeling in the back of her head, and still a bit thigh around her chest.
I dont think swim will ever take any drugs ever again. Legal or not!
Swim is just happy to be alive!

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Thanks for sharing this experience.

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM on the other hand enjoyed a Head Candy mixed with bzp pills but found that one or less was best. When she took two HCs, she felt queasy and had bad insomnia but didn't feel ill as others have described. She found they gave her strong entheogenic effects, especially when mixed with bzp but realises this could be lethal for others...

[incognitosheep]

Only thing SWIM can say is not to mix any of the LU range with anything else.

SWIM dropped 3 "Chemistry" capsules after 5 pints or so, and various scrapings of ket.

Boy did swim feel shit.

[Alfa]

Threads merged.

[CircaX43521]

a friend had an experience with these, and basicly said that it was a shitload of nausea and a small amount of euphoria. He said that caffeine pills would even be better than those.

[chemlove]

I was also told that you shouldn't mix BZP party type pills and drugs. You have to be really careful when mixing a substance or drug with BZP pills. I have heard issues with spice causing weird throw up (by spice SWIM assumes your saying 2ci). SWIM has never seen this odd throw up or any of the symptoms he read about, but just because don't mean it didn't happen).

[grefunkel]

swim just thought they'd add that they had one of the worst experiences of their life this weekend on this absolutely abhorrent stuff. swim has been partaking for over 18yrs, using some real daft combinations but the mistake of drinking and then taking more than one of these pills is something swim never ever wants to repeat again. the next day was bad enough, what with swim having to endure 5 hrs in swims friends car, which swim got friend to pull over several times so swim could attempt to be sick (refused to come out). swim took the last of these on saturday night, and as a consequence, swim nearly had to call an ambulance at 5am this morning, over 48hrs later. swim's blood pressure felt like it was going through the roof, swim couldnt stop urinating, swims kidneys felt like they had been repeatedly kicked, swim's heart jumping around in his chest like a rabbit. swim's starting to feel a little better now, having been suitably tested and chastised by swim's gp.

swim's not one for lectures or hectoring, but swim wasnt the only one of swim's group who felt really super bad, so please, if any swiy is thinking about going anywhere near these, be warned, they do not mix well at all with anything, the comedown is HORRENDOUS (swim says 4 days of base had nothing on this for sheer and utter sh1ttyness). swim would recommend that if swiy really wants to have a good time, then there are much much better options than this. it's just not worth it. swim acknowledges that things may be different physiologically for swiy, or that swim should have been a bit more cautious about this stuff beforehand, but believes that knowledge of downright nasty scary sh1t should be shared, so others have a better picture of what's going on.

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Thanks for sharing, but a more detailed report would've been nice.

[Euphoric]

How many did SWIgrefunkel take? And roughly how much alcohol was consumed with them?

[grefunkel]

swim drank about 8 pints at least and a pill and a half to two pills after the drinking had ceased. swim still feels rough. swim is a very sorry young swim!

[Alfa]

Wow! That is one more bad experience with head candy pills. How much did SWIY take?

[Alfa]

That depends upon the country. In the EU ingredients should be listed and approved. However the UK does not inspect this. From 2009, all EU countries are bound to inspect if all ingredients, the products and importing / producing companies are certified / approved by the EU. I expect that most smart products will become illegal. In this case, that is a good thing.

[Alfa]

This will give you a good idea why they are not responding:
'Herbal' High Neuroblast turns out to contain diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol

[samwhooooooo]

strayed onto this forum by accident reading up on legal highs...
was very shocked 2 hear sum1 had a fucking HEART FAILURE of w/e from the head candy's...

one thing id like 2 point out is a person with the right consitituion can go into shock from the friction of rubber gloves touching their skin, very rare i guess but if ur goin 2 use drugs (and tht is what they r legal or not) there willbe risks...

iv personally used the head candy and the.... erm... chemistry ones yep yep and i find they r awfully similer its basically the same thing with sum feckin african herbs put in to differentiate perhaps..

head candys i found no problem with but the chemistry i upped the dose and swallowed the pack whole... this is a gud example bcuz i fucked up and it turns out im seeing my dad this day so he turns up while im jst startin to get up on these funky legals in effect a perfect pre-cursor for a BAD TRIP...

the main problem was my stomach as ive seen mentioned above which was really wanting to barf up its contents (this happand defo b4 my head and body were affected and the nausea was the first thing to notice in my case) anywayz i sumhow managed to conceal i was on trippers to my old man and it passed off for being stoned which was OK-ish

i must stress in these circumstances whether it was the einvirnoment or the narcs or both it really messed me up but i felt good and no illness except for the nausea which lasted tho was not unmanageable

(its not off topic wait for it god damnit) the next day its my insides tht legal highs affect... defo my chest which seems "snotty" and its like almost a clogged up feeling which u can tell wen u cough ist raelly throaty and flem-fuelled. this ive noticed with all herbal highs it affects ur breathing ie throat chest n evrything.. they leave u sticky just like XTC and im sure all other illegal stims do plus its no where near as good !!

i strongly believe these particular legal highs pretty health hazardous, a user could abuse cocaine for a night and compared with the legal highs hangover its much more maganable in my opinion. u can still function unlike london undergrounds offering where it literally requires time out for a day or 2

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[skatefarmer]

hi, last night swim took 2 of these pills whilst having had a few drinks, swim vommited a brown liquid several hours afterwards, now, about 15 hours later, swim has an increased heart rate and some agitation..swim doesn't want to tell parents about the high, is swim going to be fine or is this very serious??