Health - Heart faillure from London Underground Head Candy party pills

[Alfa]

This was recently posted on another forum:

Originally Posted by Daydream Believer

I took two of these pills (1 at 5.30pm and another at 8.00pm) a couple of nights ago. I found the mental effects quite intense (after the long wait for them to kick in) and didn't experience any physical effects at all until about midnight. My heart started beating a little bit funny, skipping a beat every now and then and I had sort of a light, floaty feeling. I had some food (porridge) in case this was just a symptom of low blood sugar or something.

Anyway, over the next two hours, the heart beat thing started happening more frequently and started pounding hard. At around 2.30 I was a little bit sick and this reddy / brown clumpy stuff came up. I'm not sure if this was blood clots or just undigested pills. I looked in the mirror and my lips were turning blue and there was this crazy white coating on my tongue.

I started to feel worse and worse until I really thought I was going to die. I called an ambulance. By the time the ambulance arrived my fingers had turned blue (apparently I was in shock) and the paramedic told me I had the heart rhythm of a 70 year old man (I'm a 22 year old girl). I spent the night in the Cardiac unit attatched to a heart moniter. Apparently my heart had started to fail. The Dr told me that they couldn't be sure if this was due entirely to the pills I had taken or if I already had a mild heart condition which these pills had excarbated. They put me on some beta-blockers anyway.

I just thought I should warn people. These may not be the best pills to take unless you are certain you are in perfect health.

I've taken BZP (large doses of), Spice Gold, Morning Glory seeds, Cannabis, Fly Agarics and all sorts of things before and not had a remotely bad experience.

Strangely, it was after the mental effects of the pills that all this kicked in. Up until then I was fine.

Oh, I didn't buy these from EDIT by the way, so don't anyone go getting worried about being sued or anything, lol.

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[Nagognog2]

Does someone know what is in these pills?

[Alicia]

Makes swia wonder too she did not have good effects with the head candy pills and these are the ones that dont contain the dreaded *cough* bzp makes u wonder when they take away things that have are known to work.

Below is what swia could find and they dont say what it contains really, i wonder why. selling works apparently.

Head Candy is part of London Underground's 'Generation 3.0' pills range.

Using the latest in BZP free neurotransmitter technology, London Underground invites you to discover the next generation of legal alternatives to drugs such as Ecstacy.

Experience a pill like no other with enhanced visuals and sound.

3 Pills per pack

Ingredients Per Pill:
150mg D.O.M.S. proprietary herbal blend, 150mg blend of herbal extracts, vitamins, Dicalcium phosphate, Magnesium Sterate.

Drink plenty of water, do not mix with alcohol, medicines or drugs

[Alfa]

Sounds like blue leagements to me. So I'd say Hawaiian baby woodrose or pure LSA.

[Zaprenz]

Does anyone think their D.O.M.S mixture might contain a mild or possibly even a stong maoi (monoamine oxidase ihibitor)?

The thought only occurs (not just from the anecdotal experience above) but because of their marketing "interview"...

Simply put. More chaperone molecules. You see with our 3.0 formulae we used our old mind set of put in as much active ingredient (Neuro-transmitters) as possible and that did work very well if conditions were optimal however as we have now discovered if conditions where less than optimal and all factors were stacked against us the subject could get as little as 25% of the DOMS actually making it across both the stomach lining and the Blood/Brian Barrier. By increasing the ratio of chaperone molecules we can now guarantee all the DOMS will make it to the brain’s receptor cells That are specifically targeted.

Apart from being intentionally vague and very unscientific the general theme seems to focus on getting these "neuro-transmitters" where they are needed.

To me that sounds like someones very bad explaination of how a MAOI works.

This is all just speculation.

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interesting concept

[tayo]

"herbal blend" - that's shady

isn't it possible that this was an allergic reaction to an ingredient? blue lips and fingers...
or
if blood came up that could indicate stomach bleeding (arterial clots don't usually come up through the esophagus right?) and if there were and ulcer some of what's eaten goes straight to the heart from the stomach, undigested (with stomach acid, head candy, and porridge in this case). and of course a pre-existing heart condition (maybe caused by drug use?..) likely had some influence on the situation.

Alfa, keep us updated on this girl's posts, curious to know more of what the doctors find out.

[FrankenChrist]

What about ephedrin or atropine containing herbs ?

[allyourbase]

that small an amount of atropine wouldnt cause heart problems for most.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim remembers one time he read of a type of herbal ecstasy not being herbal at all,it really contained dxm and diphenhydramine.Swim just doesn't trust all these so called "herbal"formulas.

[snapper]

Sounds like there was an underlying condition present. SWIM does not hear of this happening very often considering the kind of garbage people unknowingly ingest in large amounts all the time. The bloodclot does not make any sense either as it likely came from the stomach (no mention of cough or trouble breathing means unlikely that there was congestive failure present). Sounds like a shock reaction, maybe even post anaphylaxis ? Large histamine reactions can cause stomach bleeding. SWIM would be curious to know the outcome, diagnosis and identity of the substance(s) involved ...

[Thirdedge]

I got this from another forum, so don,t have a link sorry but sounds like they contain a Bulgarian cough suppressant:

Legal dance drug faces ban amid fears over side-effects


Alexandra Topping
Monday June 18, 2007
The Guardian

A legal dance drug known as legal XTC, Jax, Pep Twisted or Pep Love could be banned across Europe following a report from the EU's drugs monitor calling for tighter controls because of the substance's side-effects.

A joint report from Europol and the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA) warns that the substance, benzylpiperazine, which is available from websites and "head candy" shops, can cause a series of negative side-effects. Its authors say: "Users have reported a range of adverse reactions such as vomiting, headache, palpitations, poor appetite, stomach pains/nausea, anxiety, insomnia, strange thoughts, mood swings, confusion, irritability and tremors. Some of these occurred in the 'comedown' period, and some persisted for 24 hours after use."

The report says that due to its "stimulant properties, risk to health and lack of medical benefits" benzylpiperazine, or BZP, should be a controlled substance.

At present, it is not illegal in Europe to take BZP, a drug sometimes marketed as a "safe" alternative to ecstasy. A loophole in the law also allows retailers to sell the drug as a soil fertiliser, marked "not for consumption". It can be bought from websites, many operating from New Zealand, where "herbal highs" are a multimillion-dollar industry and 20% of the population has taken the drug.

Roumen Sedefov, the report's project manager, said there had been concern that banning BZP could lead people to use more dangerous drugs. He said there was not much data available but that they had "worked on a precautionary principle".

The European commission has six weeks to decide whether to follow the EMCDDA's recommendation.

David MacKintosh, a policy adviser at the London Drugs Policy Forum, said the monitoring centre had made the right decision. "It's a substance that not much is known about but that is being sold in the thousands. It's not regulated at all."

According to John Ramsey, a toxicologist at St George's hospital in London, websites selling BZP could already be a step ahead of the regulators. Some sites have been advertising "BZP-free" stimulants as the next generation of legal alternatives. Tests on the pills, known as "London Underground", showed one tablet containing BZP, but another with a compound found previously only in a Bulgarian cough suppressant.

"It hardly inspires you with confidence," said Mr Ramsey. "The drugs are untested. I imagine they will sell anything they can make a buck out of."

[Alicia]

D.O.M.S is a supposedly bzp free, something or other substances. swia found bzp more enjoyable then these Head candy pills. Swia reckons bzp is not so pouler due to the fact these pills seem to always have stupid amounts of it in when doses just over 60mg are just niiicceeee..

[sensual88]

I have heard that it is not recommended/safe to take BZP Party pills with MDMA or XTC, and the same with PEP's

However I don't know if head candy is a pep. Does anybody know if it is safe to combine the two?

[radiometer]

Seems quite a risk of serotonin syndrome to me, as well as a dangerous risk level for those who might have underlying health conditions.

[Thirdedge]

Nobody knows what is in Headcandy therefore it can not be assumed safe to combine with anything at all.

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Good advice

[Zaprenz]

Especially if the new pills have any kind of Monoamine oxidase inhibitor.

No idea if they do but until the ingredients are revealed it musn't be ruled out in these kind of safety interaction assumptions.

SWIM is still surprised LU pills are still being sold with no one testing them yet? Seems a long time since they've been on sale.

[paau]

swim has taken doves w/xtc which was an EVIL roll.
swim thought it was down to dodgy pills but having rolled from the same batch but a week later; it was completely different.
probably not advised

[sensual88]

Swim would like to inform everybody that they tested head candy without mixing with other substances. Swim also tested this with friends and all friends felt ill for 3-4 days. Didn't sleep for the first night and felt very very ill. Swim does not recomend anybody to try these lethal herbals.

[paau]

Originally Posted by sensual88

Swim would like to inform everybody that they tested head candy without mixing with other substances. Swim also tested this with friends and all friends felt ill for 3-4 days. Didn't sleep for the first night and felt very very ill. Swim does not recomend anybody to try these lethal herbals.

oh jeez c'mon, i mean i know they don't really work but they wouldn't be sold in shops if they actually made people ILL

[enquirewithin]

^Quite possibly!

[ryanhutchings]

Swim took LU Head Candy and felt extremely ill for two days. The one good thing is the fact swim came back up the following night making it a cheaper night out. Mixed with MDMA and alcohol and suffered no side effects except an upset stomach, but that was probably down to the alcohol.

Not recommended.

[Whit]

Agree:

Swim has tired "party pills" or BZP with other substance's. At the time not having tried MDMA yet, he still didn't see the point in such a waste of time. The only effects to arrise were a downing feeling, a headache and the endless hours he spent trying to get to sleep. Never would SWIM get them again.

SWIM has since tried MDMA and realises what real "Ecstacy" is like.

SWIM reccomends if you want to feel your "Ecstacy" then you should try the real thing instead of wasting your time on these unhealthy pills.

Does anyone really want to be munching on a wormer designed for farm animals?

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM on the other hand enjoyed a Head Candy mixed with bzp pills but found that one or less was best. When she took two HCs, she felt queasy and had bad insomnia but didn't feel ill as others have described. She found they gave her strong entheogenic effects, especially when mixed with bzp but realises this could be lethal for others...

[incognitosheep]

Only thing SWIM can say is not to mix any of the LU range with anything else.

SWIM dropped 3 "Chemistry" capsules after 5 pints or so, and various scrapings of ket.

Boy did swim feel shit.

[Micutzul]

Originally Posted by Whit

Agree:

Swim has tired "party pills" or BZP with other substance's. At the time not having tried MDMA yet, he still didn't see the point in such a waste of time. The only effects to arrise were a downing feeling, a headache and the endless hours he spent trying to get to sleep. Never would SWIM get them again.

SWIM has since tried MDMA and realises what real "Ecstacy" is like.

SWIM reccomends if you want to feel your "Ecstacy" then you should try the real thing instead of wasting your time on these unhealthy pills.

Does anyone really want to be munching on a wormer designed for farm animals?

Please don't forget that drug effects are subjective . You could have a personal low tolerance to stimulants in general or bzp in particular , or an incompatibilty with these substances . Some people can be incompatible even with substances that are generally accepted to be veeery nice ( such as amphetamines ) .Your personal experience on the subject is very appreciated , but your last paragraph was , in my opinion , very ignorant . I suppose you also have a problem with ketamine , seeing that it's main use is as an animal anesthetic , or with DXM seeing as it's main use is as an anti-cough medicine ? Or maybe even with opiates in general , seeing as the stronger ones are used to treat terminally ill people ?

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clamping down on ignorance. Kudos.