mCPP experiences

[Pomzazed]

Editted : SWIM's firecat is safe now. Thank you everyone. Here is what SWIM's firecat told me.

Substance : 1-(3-chlorophenyl)-piperazine monohydrochloride [mcpp]
Quality : ACS Reagent grade. (min. assay 99.5%)
note: all date and time are GMT+7

12th June, 9pm
17.354 mg mcpp taken orally, dissolved in orange juice (~200mL). Empty stomach.
t=0 : doesnt notice the taste.
t=1h : no effect
t=2h : no effect
t=3h : no effect

13th June, 8.30 am
35.202 mg mcpp taken orally, dissolved in pepsi (~200mL). Empty stomach.
t=0 : notice a slight change in pepsi.
t=1h : no effect
t=1.5h : feel a bit dizzy, maybe placebo effect
t=2h : feel nothing more
t=3h : no effect

14th June 7.00pm
around 300 mg (!) was ACCIDENTALLY taken by firecat with no intention. (the measuring afterward after the firecat is safe indicates that real weight is 302.974 mg); the substance weighted inside a glass preparing to pack into capsule was filled with water(a bit), the firecat doesnt know and gulp it all at once!

t=0 : feels irritant to oesophagus strongly, and so the stomach
t=10min : the firecat drinks some artificial lemon juice [citric acid solution (0.1M)] trying to neutralize the other nitrogen and puke out.
t=20min : feels strange inside, unable to explain in text, but no good feeling.
t=30min : feels a bit better and go to shower instead.
t=1h : start feeling nausea but no vomit
t=1h20min : suddenly vomit out a lot, uncontrollably and continues vomitting for 4 hours ! OUCH! SWIM's firecat doesnt eat anti-vomit pills due to he wants to eliminate all unabsorbed mcpp
t=5h : stops vomitting, he eats some solution of Ca2+ and Mg2+ hoping it will form complex with Nitrogen in piperazine ring; thus stop absorbing, 10 min afterward he takes 2 tablespoon of activated charcoal (ACS grade, cant find anything better near himself)
t=5h30min : Vomits again out as a "sticky bubbly black vomit" YUCK! then he starts having strong migraine attack, feeling the increased heartbeat rate, a lot of panic attack (this is the time firecat sends pm to nag,ranke,etc)
t=6h : SWIM's firecat feels like he's half dead, muscle spasm(is this new effect to mcpp?), sometimes all-over-body shaking but not a seizure, feels something cardiovascular-related and got a very strong headache. As he's trying to read what to do in PM, he knocked away in a short period 4-5 times and wake up some minutes later. also a little bit agitated but he cant move properly! Suffering this for like 2 hours (cant look up and see the clock anymore) then he falls unconscious (!)
t=9h : wake up again, stop feeling he wants to puke, a little speedy, no OEV, no euphoria, a little bit CEV (comes out as little red/violet vertically line shaking a bit pattern and nothing else), feeling both warm and cold at the same time so he measure his body temp and comes out as 38.2 deg.C. The firecat wanted to rest, but cannot sleep! migrane headache is coming up in pulse, each pulse is VERY stong like firecat's head can be exploded.
t=??? : The firecat slept (dont know what time)
t=14h : The firecat woke up, still feeling some abnormality but cant tell where/what. feels a bit confused and sleep again
t=15h (now) : He wakes up and edit this post.

Conclusion
mCPP has no recreational purpose for the firecat at all, at lower dose, nothing can be felt; while the higher dose does induce all toxic effects.
The firecat has no interest in mCPP any more. (despite what he has is very pure form)

Reputation Comments on this post:

An upsetting story, but one worth sharing. Thanks.

[radiometer]

Go To A Doctor

[Micklemouse]

Now! Tell him/her exactly what SWiY has taken. Is anyone with SWiYou? Get them to call an ambulance if necessary. Please.

[Pomzazed]

Editted the original post to report.

[Nagognog2]

Yes - should see a doctor. That black vomit sounds like blood. You might have torn some veins inside. Go!!

[Alfa]

Read again: firecat gulped two tablespoons of ACS activcated carcoal just before he vomitted black goo.

[Pomzazed]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Read again: firecat gulped two tablespoons of ACS activcated carcoal just before he vomitted black goo.

Yea, he was.
Black color in vomit came from the activated charcoal, seems like absorption works well in some degree :P

[Nagognog2]

Very well. None the less, don't send this recipe to London Underearth. They'd likely use it as an advertisement.

[Pomzazed]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Very well. None the less, don't send this recipe to London Underearth. They'd likely use it as an advertisement.

Hehe, like this?

Originally Posted by Ad Zone!

Special Promotion! Coated pill for relieving Piperazines' poisoned effect! Black goo guaranteed! (!) One survived from extensive dose of mCPP with our pills. blah blah etc...

Anyway, someone's firecat looks fine and every system jumps back to normal now. Thanks everyone again (t=+25hr)

[Laudaphun]

SWIM had never put the connection together before about black vomit possibly indicating torn vessels... This reminds SWIM of a time during his first year of college when he was not tripping however his friend was on a fairly strong dose of LSD...

SWIMs friend was having a party at this time, someone came by and tossed SWIM's tripping friend a prozac. For some reason, his friend (who had never had a bad trip before) started vomitting black stuff (this is just what SWIM's hallucinating friend told him, as SWIM didn't actually go check out the vomit, he just took his friends word for it) and freaking out. SWIM had kind put the black vomit thing in the back of his mind but always wondered what was up with it... Now SWIM possibly has an answer.

[candy_kid]

Please add your experiences with mCPP here. Please add dosage, route and duration to the top of your post like this:

Originally Posted by EXAMPLE

Dosage: 12 mg in one glass juice
Route: Orally
Duration: 2 hours

When posting a experience, please describe:

• body weight & gender
• dose taken
• route of administration
• Setting: in what environment it was taken.
• duration of main effects
• main effects
• side effects
• after effects
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• addictive qualities / abuse potential
• any other valuable information

Info about this drug (other than experiences) should be discussed here: mCPP
These documents about mCPP are in the file archive
mCPP pics
Research Chemicals Index – Piperazines
Research Chemicals Index - Phenethylamines
Research Chemicals Index - Tryptamines


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I noticed a great lack of information on mcpp on the web, especially in the more reasonable dose range, so I figured I'd write up a report of SWIM's experience yesterday on 50mgs

t0:00 : SWIM filled an empty gel cap with 50mgs of mcpp and swallowed
t0:30 : SWIM starts to feel the drug taking hold, things are suddenly very funny and enjoyable, SWIM is laughing at almost everything and the body high is appearing. The body high is similar to that of street ecstacy, but doesn't feel warm and infinitely enjoyable, rather this is simply a relaxing tingling.
t1:30 : SWIM is having great fun and is enjoying the experience thus far- however, the body high is becoming a bit intense and nausea is appearing now (despite ginger). Visuals are appearing and are closer to that of phenethylamines rather than tryptamines, they have their own unique look though and carry some traits of mdma.
t2:00 : SWIM is finding the body load too much and the finding everything funny is becoming more of a confusion now. Short term memory is gone and SWIM is feeling like they may have dosed too high.
t4:00 : SWIM's body load is turning back into a bearable body high and SWIM can now think properly again, SWIM however is still slightly nauseous.
t5:00 : SWIM's body load is completely gone, SWIM feels great and talking is fun- things are once again entertaining and confusion is gone enough to carry a conversation.
t7:00 : SWIM is beginning to feel tired and the joy of talking is going away once again, this time in exchange for a need for sleep
t8:00 : SWIM attempts sleep and after an hour (t9:00) finally manages to pass out.
next day : SWIM felt good despite a bit tired (possibly due to a lack of food during the experience) SWIM had a small headache, but nothing bad

conclusion : the experience was great for SWIM minus the peak. SWIM is 65kg and was thinking 32mgs (.5mgs/kg as recommended on these forums) may have been better than the dose he took, despite recommendations to try 50mgs from others. Other people with SWIM commented on thinking more or less would have been better, and this seemed to be based on weight also. SWIM would strongly urge people to start low as too high a dose is very uncomfortable, the best case scenario would be to feel too little and then experience SWIM's come up and come down during the peak.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Good report, but would like to see more details of the trip, like what SWIY was doing, etc.
	Good balanced Report

[cennerteal]

SWIM was pleased to read this as he has a personal interest. I beleive SWIM has recently ordered four for his dear pet cat.

[stjbm06]

Yes!!

More MCPP-ONLY experiences, please!!!

There is definitely a lack of single-piperazine reports all over the internet. About 85% + of those commonly found are blends of BZP + some other piperazine... While this definitely has been proven to have interesting and super-fun results, there are a HUGE number of people who cannot now legally order BZP around the world...

So let's hear about SWIY's SINGLE-piperazine reports with SWIY's ideas for future combinations which may provide VERY interesting personal experiments!!

Please help the whole world out! Let's help build a fairly stable and useful,legal E substitute WITHOUT resulting to possibly very dangerous and un-tested research chemicals (e.g., methylone)!!

[candy_kid]

^^ in swim's opinion, piperazines likely wont substitute for e in the future. They're similar in nature, but are missing some key elements that mdma has. mcpp (the one advertised as most mdma like) seems instead more like a cross between 2c-i mdma alcohol and marijuana, but in that respect, is something totally new that can have totally new social situations derived about it-- but to compare to mdma; theres no talking about how much you love eachother while massaging each others backs at least on mcpp or meopp (swim's experience)

methylone, while having less clinical studies on it is a much, much more e resembling RC from swim's experience (and it is bk-mdma is it not?)-- it also has had a fairly good track record with reports thus far (as far as a lack of toxic effects)- I'd hedge my bets on this one and analogs more than piperazines as a substitute.. not saying piperazines dont have their place of course