4-ho-nmt

[Nacumen]

Is this a feasible research chemical, or did SWIM's friend simply make a typo when writing this one down? Wikipedia, erowid and even google turn up a total of 1 lead, but the page is in chinese, and I have a feeling that that guy himself was wondering what it was so that doesn't help. Normally SWIM would just ignore this lead, but using N instead of D isn't exactly a reasonable typo.

Is it likely that SWIM's friend was simply referring to 4-ho-DMT (Psilocin)?

[jux]

a scientist i met said he doesnt know anything about it, but has seen it offered too...until he reads other peoples research experiances, he is passing this one up...he likes to have at least some idea of what type of reaction to expect from a chemical before he uses it in his lab

btw he is pretty sure it is a tryptamine not a phenethylamine

[Nacumen]

OH yes, if it is the real deal, I would definitely assume it to be a tryptamine before a phenethylamine, my bad. I listed it under phenethylamines out of habit, as most RCs my friend SWIM has experience with are phenethylamines :P

[allyourbase]

baeocystin
its pharmokinetics are debateable. presumably, it would have none.

[radiometer]

How could a substance have no pharmakokinetics? Pharmakokinetics is the study of what happens to a substance after it has been ingested -absorbtion, metabolism, elimination, etc. Does it vanish from the bloodstream - POOF?

[samadhi_smiles]

Its not baeocystin, btw. Baeocystin is 4-PO-NMT. This compound is 4-HO-NMT, a newly synthesized 4-substituted-tryptamine.

Be careful for respiratory depression with this one.

[Nacumen]

Samadhi, please share any further information you know about this compound. As of right now, my friend SWIM knows next to nothing. By the way things look, SWIM will be receiving some of this in the near future, and SWIM needs all the help he can get to play his experiment safe.

[samadhi_smiles]

10mg oral +5mg insufflated (reported on another 'blue' board) was something like a generic tryptamine buzz.

Ott reports that 10mg oral is active/entheogenic.

I believe Gartz has reported that 4mg is threshold effects.

It appears like 10mg is a good place to start for an entheogenic experience (after trying a 1-2mg dose for idiosyncratic reactions and to test for DOxs).

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I still hold that this compound will be more useful in conjunction with other 4-sub-Ts (in order to more closely simulate a synthetic mushroom trip).

Thats all I know....there will be an onslaught of bioassay reports coming soon though...many people have this and are excited about it.

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I appreciate the information and guidance to bluelight

[Nacumen]

Well, at least we know it's active. NMT by itself, to my understanding, isn't entheogenic whatsoever, at least at any known dose.

If SWIY has it available, I would suggest synergising with 4-aco-DMT. That's what SWIM plans to do at least, should he ever find himself with some.

[samadhi_smiles]

SWIM plans on combining it with 4-HO-DMT, but the aco would probably work well too.

[Nacumen]

I remember reading your posts on that 'other' board, and you yourself said that 4-aco-dmt lacked a certain 'chaotic' quality that psilocin has. In another thread, the poster who boosted his 4-aco-dmt experience with 4-ho-nmt said that after using the 4-ho-nmt, the trip became more chaotic. So, I strongly recommend that SWIY makes sure to try both combinations - and doesn't forget to report back

[allyourbase]

in essence, it does vanish from the blood stream. MAO rips it up.

[Nacumen]

ayb, there are a handful of reports on the 'other' website which confirm that 4-ho-nmt does in fact have entheogenic effects at relatively low doses and is sufficiently active even without the presence of a MAOI.

[allyourbase]

it looks too polar to pass the bbb. consider that the reason nmt, and 5meonmt arent active is that theyre too polar....and theyre less polar than this compound. time will tell, no doubt quite a few lab monkeys will be reporting on this one.

[Nagognog2]

Rather than seeing an "Erowid Special" ("I took 25 mg of whizzbang, 12.5 mg googlenots, 244 mg extramuffinman, and a bucket full of varnish... and the effect of the whizzbang was so cool, man!...."), I'd like to see someone with zero tolerance start out low with this one and do a slow work-up - keeping concise notes. Once establishing what whizzbang (4-OH-NMT) is about all on it's lonesome, then combinations could be tried.

To do this any other way negates any viable data on this molecule in and of itself.

[samadhi_smiles]

AYB: 5-MeO-NMT has never been explored parenterally, as far as I know. Someone who really is NOT me has obtained a few 30 or so mgs of this compound and intends to explore it via IV or smoking I believe...which should be interesting.

4-ho-NMT will definitely be explored in isolation...and finally combined with psilocin once the nitrocin baseline has been established.

Even if it is not too active in its own right does not mean it will not act as a potentiator of psilocin and/or other 4-sub-Ts.

oh this should be moved to the tryp section btw

[Nacumen]

lol nagog, one really must begin wondering if erowid takes preference over those reports where kids take a cornucopia of psychoactives. I think the 'erowid special' is approaching status as a prerequisite for their trip reports.

[grandbaby]

Originally Posted by Nacumen

lol nagog, one really must begin wondering if erowid takes preference over those reports where kids take a cornucopia of psychoactives. I think the 'erowid special' is approaching status as a prerequisite for their trip reports.

OT, but should mention that Erowid publishes what comes in. So if whizzbang/googlenots/varnish combos are what's submitted, that's what eventually gets published (trashing those reports that are totally unreadable or uninformative). "Documenting the complex relationship between humans and psychoactives" gets more complex when coctail-mad psycho-me-nots are on the loose....

[rxbandit]

Originally Posted by samadhi_smiles

4-ho-NMT will definitely be explored in isolation...and finally combined with psilocin once the nitrocin baseline has been established.

NMT is nor methyl tryptamine not nitro methyl tryptamine for anyone who is confused. I just thought i'd clarify that.

[samadhi_smiles]

Originally Posted by rxbandit

NMT is nor methyl tryptamine not nitro methyl tryptamine for anyone who is confused. I just thought i'd clarify that.

The chemical is 4-ho-NMT or nitrocin. The nitro in nitrocin refers to the single nitrogen on NMT (aka monomethyltryptamine) as opposed to the two nitrogens on dimethyltryptamine. I've never heard it referred to as normethyltryptamine, in TIHKAL or in any studies. Its always NMT or mono-methyltryptamine.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no chem whizz. I just eat the stuff.

[Nacumen]

edit:

Originally Posted by rxbandit

nitrocin is already a trade name for nitroglycerin tablets.

Answers my question, thanks.

[rxbandit]

Originally Posted by samadhi_smiles

The chemical is 4-ho-NMT or nitrocin. The nitro in nitrocin refers to the single nitrogen on NMT (aka monomethyltryptamine) as opposed to the two nitrogens on dimethyltryptamine. I've never heard it referred to as normethyltryptamine, in TIHKAL or in any studies. Its always NMT or mono-methyltryptamine.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no chem whizz. I just eat the stuff.

hmm, i may be wrong on that. i do remember seeing nor methyl tryptamine when researching acacia alkaloids though. also NMT also has two nitrogens in it and nitrocin is already a trade name for nitroglycerin tablets.

[euphoricnod]

This is available from a chemist I know... I was also curious to know if anyone here has tried it and can describe the high in detail for me?

[Beeker]

SWIM would think that 4-ho-nmt and 4-aco-nmt would both be active. Swim would think that the aco would last longer but require a slightly higher mg dose and the 4-ho would be a short experience.

At least SWIM has noticed that from the other research trytamines. These are analogs of a natural entheogin so SWIM is interested in hearing from others in the field. Considering the low levels (if at all) of baeocystin in Cubensis SWIM would think that it only shows itself ain the 5 gram dried shroom trip.

[tayo]

Originally Posted by euphoricnod

This is available from a chemist I know... I was also curious to know if anyone here has tried it and can describe the high in detail for me?

USE SWIM... probably already warned by mods.