if given the choice which tryptamine would you choose....

[QGdoxl]

a friend of mine has an opertunity to get hold of some rc's and the choices are
5-meo-dipt
5-meo-mipt
4-aco-dipt
4-aco-mipt
or some 4-aco-det at a much higher price

He asked me to help him decide which to choose. From what I hear they are all pretty much the same. That being said I have never tried any of them so I decided to come here and ask someone with a bit more experience and see if anyone here may be able to assist me.

I have read many trip reports and in most of them different people claim that one is better chioce for them for one reason or the other, I understand this is a hard question for one person to answer for another but I was just hopeing that if there was a particular one that is recomended more than any other I can narrow down the amount of trip reports and reading I have to do.

thanks

[Abrad]

From what I hear they are all pretty much the same.

This couldn't be further from the truth, especially when dealing with 5-meo vs. 4-xxx-xx. I suggest your friend do a lot of research on each compound and decide for himself.

[elbow]

Nobody can help swim choose, because nobody knows what swim is looking to experience. Really, the best thing to do is spend an hour or two looking over trip reports on erowid, including the ones under "difficult experiences." Those ones really are important to look at.

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good idea/advice

[fatal]

it depends what you are after. if it is potency then the obvious winner is 5-meO-MiPT. if it is visuals it is probably going to be one of the AcOs. if it were swim it would be foxy. you are different. you probably wont like foxy, like most people. no one can tell you what to do though as said above. however, if you want an opinion, get them all. why bother do anything else. the whole "at a much higher price" thing is a real killer for me. no reason aco-det should cost more than aco-dipt/mipt. just my two cents, i could be wrong, as usual.

[Dogears]

4-aco-dipt would prob be the best all around.

[oldman]

yeah, what are yo looking for? insight? euphoria? visuals? they all seem to have a certain flavor or tendencyto go in different directions. foxy (5meo-dipt)I've heard has a little body load for some, trip reports seem to back it up too, but some people swear by it. moxy (5meo-mipt) though swim says has little side effects, is fun, euphoric, sensual, not alot of visuals or great insight but it is there at higher doses, which swim would not recommend. 5-8 mgs would be ideal. any more and you might sketch out, just read some reports here. 4ho-mipt is mild at the low levels (12-15mgs) but does have a steep dose repose curve and after 20mgs it can be overwhemling so use care. it is somewhat euphoric though not a lot by swims standards, usually lends itself to giving some insight, very sensual also. fun swim says, just don't get carried away. can't tell you about 4ho-dipt, but neg. effects are not common from what I've read. good euphoria from what I've heard although it is short also. so the only one I've read that has some heavier body load is foxy. good luck and as mentioned read through trip reports, some surveys where done and results published here under tryps forum. should help, weigh out carefully for heavens sake though, none are good at high doses the first time, and if the first tiem is a bad trip, it usually doesn't get better when tried again, so think about that.

[QGdoxl]

thanks Oldman that was probably the best answer I could have gotten. A small bit one each, your opinion which is what I asled for, thanks.

looking for different things on different nights I suppose. A nice euphoric body buzz and I wouldn't mind and open and free mind (slight visuals always welcome). Other nights just a good stone to sit and chill watch a movie with slight visuals always welcome. Others it is get right blasted and see all kinds of stuff.

normally I need a fair does of things to get off to a good trip. 2c-i and 2c-e my normal is 18-22 but sometimes need 25+, and even at that I would love more visuals but am quite stoned and the bodyload starts to get quite heavy and I am not too sure how much more my GI tract will let me go. With muchrooms I need at least 3-5g to acheive mild breathing, ate 7g once and still did not get as high as I thoght i would.

[big-lester]

personally SWIBL would go for 5-meo-dipt or 4-aco-mipt. the only one he has experience with is 4-aco-mipt, which was VERY nice. but he has always really wanted to try 5-meo-dipt. from what SWIBL has read and felt these 2 seem to be most interesting. and also 4-aco-mipt seems the mosrt easily handleable and stable compound of the 4-aco's.

SWIBL would go for the 5-meo-dipt.

[QGdoxl]

thanks guys after much more reading I think I am going to suggest to swim the 4-aco-mipt and ask him/her to see about obtaining samples of some of the other chems. like buying your intended amount of the 4-aco-mipt and 100mg samples of the others on the list.


swim likes to get a gram of a substance so he doesn't have to keep ordering ect.

[jux]

if given the choice of only one of the following compounds, which one would your lab rat choose and why? which would he avoid at all cost?

4-AcO-DET
4-ACO DMT
4-AcO-MIPT
4-HO MIPT
4-HO DMT
4-HO MET
4-HO NMT
4-HO DET
4-ACO MET
4-MeO-MIPT
4-AcO-DIPT
4-HO-DIPT
DIPT
DPT
AET
AMT
MET
MIPT
2-Me DMT
5-MeO-DMT
5-MeO-DIPT
5-MeO-MIPT
5-MeO DET
5-MeO MET
5-MeO TMT
5-MeO AMT

[fnord]

huh if the big lizard in my backyard had a choice he would choose all of them at once.but hes a unsafe/crazy basterd.

[jux]

lol, like potato chips...can't have just one...

no favorite though?

[Beeker]

SWIM says 4-ACO DMT because why milk the cow when you can get the sex for free.

... and 5-MeO-MIPT because why get the sex for free without a sexual enhancer.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by Beeker

SWIM says 4-ACO DMT because why milk the cow when you can get the sex for free.

... and 5-MeO-MIPT because why get the sex for free without a sexual enhancer.

SWIM goes for the exact same two as well. Miprocrine(5-MeO-MIPT) seems to be one of the best RC's around, together with 4-AcO-DMT.
SWIM still wants to try DPT as well, as that one seems to be one of the most powerfull tryptamines as well, SWIM soons hopes to try that one IM.

[snapper]

SWIM has not tried 4acodmt, but SWIM has done shrooms and overall, swim's favorite orally available tryptamine is 4HO-MIPT.

[deficitism]

4-aco-dmt is by far the best chem (to SWIM). After testing it out, SWIM would never even think to test another tryptamine. And SWIM has tried A LOT.

[samadhi_smiles]

just extract DMT and smoke it

or eat 4-ho-DMT or 4-AcO-DMT

[jux]

Originally Posted by samadhi_smiles

just extract DMT and smoke it

my lab rat lives in an apartment (better than a cage, lol) so messing around with the chemicals required is out of the question...once he gets a house though, it'll be a different story


thanks for your answers everyone, it has helped to narrow the focus of my lab rats research...so many chems...so little time....

[Beeker]

Originally Posted by deficitism

4-aco-dmt is by far the best chem (to me). After testing it out, I would never even think to test another tryptamine. And I've tried A LOT.

Well, SWIM did find the fast 'come and go' nature (yet still highly visual) of 4-ho-mipt had it's uses over 4-aco-dmt.

SWIM could go to the cheap movie theater just down the road during a hot summer day, see a film, and walk out near sober.

As for anything spiritual or ego busting SWIM couldn't find anything at any dose except for an aco-dmt experience. SWIM still likes shrooms but the lack of side effects like nausia and cramps with 4-aco-dmt make it worth a look. SWIM wouldn't say just pick one of the 4-ho, 4-aco tryptamines but if, for some reason, SWYM had enough cash to try just one: 4-aco-dmt would be that one.

[samadhi_smiles]

This SWIM is hoping for 4-ho-DMT as the end all be all 4-sub-T! We'll see what SWIM has to say after this weekend!

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by deficitism

4-aco-dmt is by far the best chem (to me). After testing it out, I would never even think to test another tryptamine. And I've tried A LOT.

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[deficitism]

Fixed. =) Thank you!