MDMA over Alcohol?

[Sigmundblake]

Hi, i was wondering if anyone kind of sees my point in this.

I was explaining to my friends, and alot of them didn't get it. I was trying to explain about using pills and maybe why alot of people do them instead of, or with, alcohol.
When you go clubbing, alcohol is extremely exspensive and if you're a student like myself then spending £4 a beer (yes thats whole much most clubs in London charge, thats about $8) then this can be really hard on your wallet. Getting drunk would cost so much so i see pills as like a much cheaper alternative to this.

My friends understand this but then argue how dangerous pills are. I know what they mean, but isn't getting pissed dangerous? I have had more accidents pissed then I have on MDMA. In the long run as well alcohol not only rinses your earnings but makes you put on weight.

When my friends are pissed they are just all over the place in the club making fools of themselves, can't remember anything the next morning and are £50 down. With pills I have a great night, don't feel agressive at all, i just feel in love with the world and its people - not in a sexual way, in a loving way. I have total control of my body and can remember the great cheap night i had the next morning.

I'm sure people here understand this and see my point?

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Interesting idea for a thread, thought provoking and useful.

[INSANEPOOKIE]

I see your point and overall agree.

There are a few problems though.

1. Purity is a real problem.
2. One can't use X every week.
3. It's illegal.
4. They've yet to 100% confirm the safe use of X.

Now with that said:

I actually am referring to MDMA (but one can 'ALMOST' say X if the X is not mixed with adulterants) when I refer to nearly any form of research. It seems that common sense dosage and infrequent use appears fairly safe.

Test kits can greatly lessen the chance of taking the scary hard drugs that one was not intending to consume. I suppose that nulls this part of the negative side but that's only if a group actually tests the drug.

Most boozers of whom like to get pissed (it's called getting wasted here) liked to get pissed every week. That simply is not possible with X. Although this does lesssen the total amount of times may get pissed. That could lead to fewer violent crimes, car accidents, burnt out livers and whatever else is caused by over drinking.

While legal and illegal mean little to nothing to me, it is a real risk and here in the USA. Getting caught with X could be very bad in relation to jail time.

[vantranist]

SWIM is an almost daily user of MDMA... Effects are acutally more intense with tolerance but shorter.

I go with MDMA caus alcohol just makes u feel like an idiot.

[jux]

Originally Posted by vantranist

SWIM is an almost daily user of MDMA... Effects are acutally more intense with tolerance but shorter.

about 6 years ago, swim and his wife used x 2-3 times a week (swim for almost 2 years and his wife for around 8 months) and the effects were definately not more intense. both were very irresponsible with their usage and would take up to 7 pills in a night and get threshold effects when thier friends would roll balls off of one....neither will touch the stuff anymore...

[advanc3d]

swim has been taking X evryweek since the begining of the year ( usually only 1 pill) and his tolerence has been the same for some odd reason

evrytime he rolls as hard as the previous

[vantranist]

Originally Posted by jux

about 6 years ago, swim and his wife used x 2-3 times a week (swim for almost 2 years and his wife for around 8 months) and the effects were definately not more intense. both were very irresponsible with their usage and would take up to 7 pills in a night and get threshold effects when thier friends would roll balls off of one....neither will touch the stuff anymore...

SWIM still gets same effect from 1 pill as he did when he was using twice a week... He admits after about a 2-3 week break its def. alot better.

I guess everyones body is different.

But going from 1-2 pills a week to 1-2 pills a day SWIM still enjoys it very much.

[jux]

i just dont understand how your body can keep up its serotonin and dopamine levels if you are using it on a daily basis.....when does it have time to replenish itself? i just dont see how its possible to roll hard every day....

then again im not a doctor or a nuerologist so what the hell do i know?

[vantranist]

Ha ya... SWIM also hassent been using it for years either... theres a good chance the High will change, but SWIM wont let out untill that happends

[keats]

They're very different drugs with very different advantages and disadvantages. Alcohol is more addictive, more prone to overdose, and worse on the body. But MDMA can fuck up your brain (temporarily for sure, and the jury is still out on the effects of frequent heavy use of MDMA causing permanent brain effects), cause depression, and just turn you into an all around annoying "e-tard" in a hurry. Also things must be incredibly different in london, because you can't find e for less than (cheap) alcohol anywhere in the US, and it's certainly harder to find. Alcohol and MDMA are both alright in moderation and can be bad in excess. But the difference is after coming out of a bender SWIM just feels physically shitty for a day or two, whereas after a period of frequent e use SWIM's brain fried for a while, which is much scarier. Also consider the long term practicality of use of the two drugs: you can keep drinking regually for the rest of your life, do you think it'll be ok with you/your loved ones to roll often in 20 years?

[raven3davis]

SWIM sees your point but first of all, MDMA is not a drug tha should be used daily, or really even weekley. Alcohol on the other hand can be used every weekend without any major coesquences. Its just a matter of which poision yo want. Pick yor poision, then drink it (alcohol) or pop it (MDMA) pill.

SWIM does not like to drink alcohol while he rolling. He feels it takes away from the effects. Another good thing about pills is the fact that if you are driving on them, you probably wont be taken away for DUI. If you are drunk like a skunk your ass is going to jail. DONT DRIVE ON ANY DRUG!!!@@

[Saf]

Originally Posted by raven3davis

SWIM sees your point but first of all, MDMA is not a drug tha should be used daily, or really even weekley. Alcohol on the other hand can be used every weekend without any major coesquences. Its just a matter of which poision yo want. Pick yor poision, then drink it (alcohol) or pop it (MDMA) pill.

SWIM does not like to drink alcohol while he rolling. He feels it takes away from the effects. Another good thing about pills is the fact that if you are driving on them, you probably wont be taken away for DUI. If you are drunk like a skunk your ass is going to jail. DONT DRIVE ON ANY DRUG!!!@@

SWIM thinks that that is a very irresponsible comment, driving while under the influence of ANYTHING - well, if you end up crashing and damage or kill someone else, how could you ever live with that?

Also SWIM would point out that depending on your country, getting taken away for high driving is as likely as getting done for drink driving.

[keats]

Given SWIY ends his post with "Don't drive on any drug" I'm not sure SWIM sees it as irresponcible. The fact that you're much less likely to get busted for driving on MDMA than on alcohol is fact. If you drive drunk and get pulled over you WILL be arrested, if you get pulled over rolling lightly you probably won't. I don't know what country you're talking about, but proving you've been drinking after they pull you over is extremely easy, and trying to prove someone is on a moderate dose of MDMA is fairly hard. SWIM would also argue that if it was possible to guage comporable doses (which you can't) MDMA would be safer to drive on than alcohol. All drugs are not created equal when it comes to operating a motor vehicle. Driving while moderately high on marijuana is absolutely safer than driving moderately drunk (there are stats on this), and SWIM would challenge anyone who says otherwise. SWIM, like raven and saf, would strongly advise against driving under the influence of anything. But let's not make the mistake of classifying driving on drugs as all being the same, anymore than smoking marijuana is just as harmful as shooting heroin.

[Saf]

Originally Posted by keats

But let's not make the mistake of classifying driving on drugs as all being the same, anymore than smoking marijuana is just as harmful as shooting heroin.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I just think that even tongue in cheek, it's irresponsible. That's all.

[Nagognog2]

Yep. No aspirin behind the wheel. Zero Tolerance. Breathe into this computer-link to the Highway-Safety Death Squad.

[Euphoric]

SWIM agrees in general that MDMA is far superior to alcohol, for reasons of pleasure and finances. However SWIM doesn't even do either once a month (maybe drinks more, but not to get wasted). SWIM highly recommends not doing any drug every weekend. Good on your wallet, better for your body and the special occasions are that much more special. But SWIM wouldn't dare convince anyone who does not use drugs other than alcohol, to use other drugs for any reason. They're usually not open to discussion or have been brainwashed, and could this could have negative consequences for SWIY.