Smoking - Smoking opium the traditional way - Selfmade water-pipe

[0utrider]

Hi!

Since its kinda hard to find Opium pipes (and they are also not as effective), SWIM'd like to describe the other traditional way of smoking opium, which SWIM expierenced in Iran.
The advantage of smoking opium is that SWIY'll feel the effects way faster, so ODing is not as likely and the onset is faster.
SWIM prefers it over the straw/aluminium foil way, since its not as junky like and due to the water pipe it isnt as hard on your lungs.

SWIY Needs:

-Any Kind of heat source, needs to get hot though. I prefer camping cookers or a soldering iron.
-2 long skinny pieces of iron,i prefer a needle or an antenna and a screw-driver
-smokeable opium (if you harvested on your own, dissolve your opium in water and filter out as much junk as possible (i.e. with a coffee filter) and damp it into a hard black/brown tar)
-some straws or some kind of water-pipe. a water pipe is better (might also be build with a bottle) since it filters out some nasty waste that you might not wanna smoke.

now SWIyou take some opium, mabe the size of half a pea or a pea (depending on the strengh of the opium) and soften it with a lighter in order to wrap it around the tip of the needle.
heat up the screw with the camping cooker.


now SWIyou vaporize the opium by toching the needle/opium with the hot screw driver. either SWIyou suck in the smoke directly with a straw or (better) SWIyou let it vaporizer at the top of the water pipe while sucking on the water pipe (like described on the picture).
have fun



any questions?

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[0utrider]

btw.. with "not with a pipe" i meant not with an original opim pipe. they actually work almost the same way, but have a different look. the method with the water pipe is used, cuz the equipment is easier to obtain. good opium pipes are rare and might be expensive.

[Alicia]

One could use a glass pipe and heat the outside of the glass as the opium begins to sizzle one slowly begin to inhale. But wait that would make someone smoking opium look like a crack head.. foil or the crack head look alike... hmmmm who cares its whats effective.

Also im sure some of the water would pull some of the opium as the vapors
that travel threw. on one hand there should be no harshness on lungs as its vapor and not smoke. opium does work or any opiates work as well burnt directly.

smoking is not automatically the safe route either, just because its over quicker does not actually means its safe.raw opium even cooked opium will very from pod to pod on where its extracted.

[0utrider]

yeah, SWIM prefers takin it orally. but even though its just vapor, its still harsh on the lungs. believe me, SWIM is doin this a lot, and he got really good stuff too. SWIM is not smoking anything else though, maybe his lungs are more sensitive. but either way, because of that he can tell, that filtering it through water makes it a tiny bit weaker, but the effects on the lungs are not nearly as bad.

its not just about "looking like a junky" but also just for people who are interested in different methods. this is just the method that many people in iran use, so its kinda traditional. and its fun if SWIY hangs out with friends and smokes through a shisha (as this would work as a water pipe substitute) and not from a foil. its nicer to handle and maybe some people prefer not feeling like a junky from the streets, but rather enjoy the queen of a plants in a lil bit more sophisticated way.

no, i never said its safe, but its safer than taking it orally, beacuse you can feel the effects almost immediatly after smoking, so its easier to know when to stop, than taking it orally. if you took too much, you took too much, theres no way of "stopping" inbetween. the only way is to carefully drink on glass after the other with each containing just a tiny amount. but im saying that smoking is as safe as this method. overall it might be safer than oral application

[prospero]

When SWIM smoked opium in Thailand, the locals mixed the resin with ground up Paracetamol and poppy seeds before smoking it. I think the paracetamol helps absorption and the poppy seeds presumably make it more potent.

[Alicia]

hmmm ok then...

one could use a long chillum and have a pin attached to the end where the opium would be stuck to and held a couple cm's from a flame where it would sizzle and one would begin to inhale slowly til the opium ball sizzles away..

[jcdjinn]

What about smoking O out of a lightbulb that's held above a candle and slowly heated from the bottom. Would that work effectively?

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by jcdjinn

What about smoking O out of a lightbulb that's held above a candle and slowly heated from the bottom. Would that work effectively?

yes that would work ideally. although u could use a lighter or a candle.

[Alicia]

one could use just a chillum and with a small end and add the opium when it sticks i at the bowl and hold that above a candle if one does not have a classic opium pipe.

[samuraigecko]

For informational or research purposes only . . .

The only problem one may have with that is that the smoke (which contains ones opiates) passes through water. Opiates (as everyone knows) are water soluble. I don't know for sure but i would expect there would be some loss due to the smoke passing through the water. depending on the size of the bubbles of smoke passing through the water because it would only be absorbable from the surface area of the bubble in contact with the water.

Second, The reason for ODing being less likely would not be coming from it hitting you immediately as you stated. Heroin users get their hit "immediate" because it is IV and they still OD all the time. ODing depends on the dosage not the method. But in a way you are right, with smoking you can start with smaller amounts and work your way up until you find a dose thats good for you. My personal recommendation is that if you use the "cleaned" version of raw opium that you have already mentioned here, a piece about the size of half a pea is ideal to start with. If one were to use the "cooked" or "flake" opium version one has posted in previous threads one would probably start with a piece about the size of half a match head and work their way up because it is A LOT more potent. However, both methods are sort of simmilar and both can be right, depends on personal preference. SWIM prefers to use an "ice pipe" and indirect flame to smoke his cooked O. The pipes look like this http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/da...100383H3_b.jpg One would draw air at the same time as toking by not placing their mouth directly over the smoking end of the pipe. Doing this is quick, effective, easily hidden and not harsh at all. Also it has the added value of not having any water present for those that may be skeptical as to the solubility of the opiates present in smoke as they pass through water.

Both methods come down to personal choice though, no way is "right" or wrong, if it works it works and everyone will find their own method that they will prefer. Nice post and explination BTW, SWIM found it informative.

[BumpBump]

how well does flake run on tin foil? can you chase it like base H?

[BumpBump]

also swim used to do a similar method with 2 "hot knives" heated in flames then taken through a glass bottle with the bottom taken out and inhaled directly. Always with MJ though!

[0utrider]

it doesnt work too well on tin foil since its usually not as pure and not a powder like h, and also i believe that heatin tin foil can produce toxic gas

yeah its pretty much the same, theres different ways of doing it, but the basic idea is the same

[samuraigecko]

For informational or research purposes only . . .

It depends on how well the flake was made. The better the filtration procedures are followed then the better it will "run" on foil. it will always produce more residue than H and the like though.

Hope this has helped.

[Mammon]

What happens if SWIY rolls opium flake and tobacco into a joint? Does it work at all? If not, why doesn't it work?

[0utrider]

SWIM thinks it doesnt work, just as smoking it in a pipe doesnt work, because SWIyou need quite a lot (for a joint) and the temperatur has to be quite high, since it doesnt "burn" but rahter evaporates, which takes some time, its not wise to put it in a joint or smoke it in a bong, because its quite a waste of material. in that case SWIM would prefer making a tea (usually starting with the size of half-a-pea or a pea, depending on tolerance and quality)

[0utrider]

here i found this, i think its a traditional opium pipe, even though it looks like a hookah / shisha / nargileh, which is pretty similar to it



and SWIM also figured SWIY could actually vaporize the water in order to get really clean opium out of it, just as its done with the tar that's left in the pipes, it can be scraped out after some usage and stored and if one has enough of that one can make new opium of great quality

i uploaded the pdf to the archive, but dont have the link yet

[chinpokomaster]

I'm pretty sure that's not a traditional opium pipe. A traditional opium pipe is a long, straight device with a bit roughly halfway down where the opium is put and indirectly heated using a lamp. Pretty sure that's just a hookah.

[samuraigecko]

Yep, its just a hookah. It IS a traditional pipe, just not for opium.

Peoples in the regions stretching from Egypt up to Turkey and Down through the Middle east use it "traditionally" for smoking Hashish not Opium.

Traditional Opium pipes are the classic Oriental style. They look similar to a peace pipe used by American Indians with a few minor differences. Later on, with the invention of the light bulb, they evolved again to use a glass "bubble" for vaporizing within.

This evolution in mind is the reason why SWIM progressed to a "meth" style pipe. It is a small, hand held, glass implement of the correct shapes. It makes Opium smoking easy even for the n00b.

Peace

[Mickeld]

SWIM wonders if this would also be an effective way to smoke Lactucarium, AKA Lettuce Opium?