What is the difference between Speed and Ice?

[wynter]

In terms of:

1) Price per gram in US/AU
2) Duration of effects from one hit
3) The effects/differences
4) Methods of intake

5) Which would you prefer and why?
6) Would you consider speed and ice drugs of their own? Why?

[vantranist]

Where i am from Speed and ice is usallly the same thing, meth.

But ice is usaully only meth where as speed can be any amphetmine.

[wynter]

I see.. can you get into more specific? Like the differences in effects/similarities? More importantly time duration? I know speed can be mixed with liquid like water, Can Ice (crystal meth) also be mixed in liquid?

[Davidbell]

Vantranist said it right,

In fact Ice is Speed and Speed is Ice. But Understand the term Speed first.

Speed reffer to any type of amphetamine, Even Ritalin is a type of amphetamine known as Methylphenidate. not every stimulant are speed. Coke and BZP are not Speed but are stimulant either.

As for Ice, it reffer to Methamphetamine HDL, (HDL mean the cristal form) which is the most potent form of amphetamine.

Again, SWIM want to clarify something on Speed pills.
Speed pills' active ingrediants is most of the time, if not always, Methamphetamine. Because it is the most easy to produce and potent form of amphetamine. You won't find many speed containing D-Amphetamine or Adderal (a mix of L-Amphetamine and D-Amphetamine) or ritalin or any such usually prescribed compounds because it would be too much of a hassle for a cook or dealer to produce, to get a compound which is even less potent than Meth.

As for price, you may use the forum's price calculator and see SWIY's country price here (look for Methamphetamine Sulphate or Cristal)

In Canada, a Speed pill weight around 250 and 500 mg and contain about only 10 to 40 mg of Meth (it may vary from batch).

10-40mg are normal dose of meth, 50mg being pretty much a big dose (around 12 hour of high). But these are all relative number is some way because someone should always consider age, weight, height, fatigue, stomach empty or not etc....) all of these will affect the strenght of a dose.

Speed can be snorted, smoked or injected (also heard of a new technique called Hot Rails, being some sort of smoking snort) see a recent Hot Rails thread

Hope this help

Reputation Comments on this post:

great explanation

[wynter]

Can crystal meth be mixed with liquids? Speed in powder can right?

[vantranist]

Meth is water soloable and desolves easily in water.

It can definitaly be taken orally but if mixed with liquid and left for long abouts of time it may degrade faster.

Desolve in Distilled water if you're going to mix it.

[Davidbell]

Varnish, Do you know if the Crystal form can be made powder ?
Swim know that crystal meth can be snorted but always wondered how come ppl can snort big shard of cristal ....

[Davidbell]

Sorry for mistaping your name Vantranist (no edit yet, im not silver)

[vantranist]

I belive that meth is a powder in its normal HCL form then grown into HCl cystals so yes.

To snort crystals you can just break them up finley with a razor blade.

You probably wont have much luck finding Powder meth in the states(on the street), so in order to get that you would need to self synth it.

I am not sure if it can go from cystal back to powder... there probably is a way but im no chemistry expert.

[Swimster]

look at this wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal, hope it clears things up.
oh yea, and the reason why amphetamine, or methamphetamine would be souluble in water is beacause it is in salt form, in which crystals can either be in salt or basic form.

[cyndi]

Swim thinks meth looks different today than 14 years ago. It looks like glass shards where swim was used to powdery looking meth. Did meth change over the years?

[Mr.E.Charlie]

In UK we dont have meth , but we do have very potent amphetamine sulphate . The types of amphetamine that circulate here are :

White Powder , which is most potent SWIM or anyone SWIM knows has ever done .

Yellow Base / Putty , strong , but well cut and not as potent as White .

White Rock , very strong form of amphetamine .

Liquid Yellow , Liquid form of amphetamine for oral or IV use, usually yellow base is used to make liquid , sometimes white .

SWIM would love to try meth , only it never seen here in UK

[cyndi]

swim wishes she was in the uk about now. Believe swim when she says swiy would be disappointed. What swim has found is mostly bunk or really cut stuff. Swim is extremely lucky if she finds anything potent.

[allyourbase]

SWIM sees a lot of amphetamines on the market, the two most prevailant forms are a freebase oil used for smoking, and rocklike crystal hydrochloride salts used for relatively all ingestion methods.... the tweakers around here usually prefer the honey oil, which is understandable, its far less likely to have any cut. ice and speed are synonymous for the cystal salts....although swim remembers well that in the mid 90s to the early 00's if someone said "ice" they usually meant 4-methylaminorex, which isnt an amphetamine at all.

[Mr.E.Charlie]

SWIM does love the amphetamine that circulates here but swim cant help but be drawn in by the wonders of methamphetamine . Apparently its simple to manufacture with the risk of explosions and ingredients that would put you off being the first to try your own product (various substances that would be quite at home under the kitchen sink , ammonia for example ) .

[cyndi]

Swim definitely advises swiy not to try to cook up a batch as that can be very deadly to a swimmer who does not know what they are doing or even to a person who has done it awhile. Without really getting into the chemistry of it, the chemicals can be very lethal and explosive without knowledge of what one was doing.

[Mr.E.Charlie]

agreed . chemistry is very complicated and dangerous , meth especially . There is also pink champagne here in UK which is the holy grail of amphetamine IMO !