Whats meth widrawl like?

[candy_kid]

^^ keep in mind that hitler was getting injected with 100% pure product and ended up so bad he had parkinsons like symptoms from the damage he did to himself- upping the dose beyond competing with amp tolerance to make each and every second filled with wonderful euphoria seems to be able to cause some pretty intense damage.

on that note however, I do have to agree based on many user reports of desoxyn (d-methamphetamine), all commenting that it feels almost nothing like meth. This could be due to l-methamphetamine, impurities or who knows what else, but you're prolly thinking in the right direction despite ignoring a few possibilities.

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by candy_kid

^^ keep in mind that hitler was getting injected with 100% pure product and ended up so bad he had parkinsons like symptoms from the damage he did to himself- upping the dose beyond competing with amp tolerance to make each and every second filled with wonderful euphoria seems to be able to cause some pretty intense damage.

on that note however, I do have to agree based on many user reports of desoxyn (d-methamphetamine), all commenting that it feels almost nothing like meth. This could be due to l-methamphetamine, impurities or who knows what else, but you're prolly thinking in the right direction despite ignoring a few possibilities.

the members arent talkin' about the withdraw from shooting up pure meth on a hourly basis, they are mostly talking about smoking meth.

[tweakerman]

Swim says that there is real physical withdrawal from meth. Swim sleeps what seems like weeks when he stops using meth, waking up only to eat or go to the bathroom. Swim gets nightmares which wake him up as well. This sleeping happens even if Swim sleeps every night while using.

Swim eats 3 meals a day even when using. Yet when Swim stops using Swim eats more than before. Swim gets super hungry when crashing and will eat everything in the house. This is not because Swim did not eat while using. It is a real withdrawal symptom.

Additionally Swim gets major headaches which are like his head is being wrung out like a sponge. That is probably the dopamine uptake thingies in his brain misfiring. It feels like his head could explode. It is the worst headache, not that it hurts so much, but there is a visual that goes along with it. The room seems to shift back and forth as his brain is wringing. It makes Swim dizzy and nauseous. This stops with the first hit Swim takes from the pipe. It has nothing to do with how much Swim is craving meth. If Swim is not craving the headache still occurs. It is much more than a mental withdrawal.

Never experienced fever but chills yes. Freezing cold waking him up. Sleeping for weeks does nothing to make Swim feel better and the sleep is restless and disturbed. THAT is not in Swim's head. It is not about craving the drug or thinking about it. It is real sleep disturbances that occur incessantly over the course of a couple of weeks. Unfortunately Swim can't tell you how long that lasts because Swim hasn't been without meth longer than 2 weeks in over 10 years.


"The severity and length of the symptoms vary with the amount of damage done to your normal reward system through amphetamine use. The most common symptoms are: drug craving, irritability, loss of energy, depression, fearfulness, wanting to sleep a lot, or, difficulty in sleeping, shaking, nausea and palpitations, sweating, hyperventilation, and increased appetite. These symptoms can commonly last several weeks after you stop using amphetamine."

http://www.kci.org/meth_info/sites/meth_psycho.htm


What is most concerning in the early stages of recovery for meth users and withdrawal is their desire to use and get high is extremely, and I can't overemphasize it, extremely intensive , unlike many other drugs we've seen.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...y=53856&page=4


Compared to nicotine, alcohol and inhalents, "Methamphetamine produced the most serious acute psychic disorders, with intensive acute physical disorders and psychic withdrawal symptoms."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15542752


Because methamphetamine dependence is now recognized as a physical disease, many scientists and healthcare professionals believe that effective medical treatment has been a missing component of traditional treatment programs.

http://www.prometa.ch/Default.aspx?langId=en&id=29


Physical withdrawal may also occur and is characterized excessive hunger (polyphagia) and excessive sleepiness (hypersomnolence), Seizures may also occur when the user is withdrawing from this drug,
Methamphetamine Crisis: Strategies to Save Addicts, Families, and Communities by Herbert C. Covey

http://books.google.com/books?id=yFGJV5XSNhYC

Meth can easily lead to physical dependency with regular use. Your body adapts to the regular presence of the drug, so you need more to get the same effect. Eventually stopping the use will lead to nasty withdrawal symptoms. The problem is that meth is stronger than normal amphetamines so this physical dependency develops faster, with worse withdrawals on stopping. And as anyone who has detoxed from speed knows, it can be a nasty enough experience — meth is just that much nastier than normal speed if your body gets hooked.

http://www.saferinjecting.net/drug-m...tamine-ice.htm

Swim believes that there is both physical and mental withdrawals from meth. That is why treatment has be unsuccessful so much of the time. Treatment needs to include both forms of withdrawal treatment. Until it is recognized that there is in fact a physical withdrawal, recovery will remain difficult at best, impossible for most.

Rather than continue to promote their views that meth has no physical withdrawal our government need to explore medical treatment for meth withdrawals. By saying that there is no physical withdrawal from meth it only demonizes those addicted making it seem like a mind over matter issue and that they somehow are responsible for their addiction. Meth addiction is a PHYSICAL disease and needs to be treated as such.

[dogzz]

Swim was a heavy meth user for 35 years, yes there were times when swim went without, and in the beginning, it wasnt too bad to do so. Over the years it became harder and harder to go without. Swim gave up use of all other substances but to remain feeling "normal" it took meth, and lots of it. Purity does play into how one feels, some meth is so nasty and full of toxic crap thats exactly how it makes one feel. Over time meth does wipe out dopamine and the receptors....what difference does it make it if it is physical or in the brain.....doesn't ALL we do, feel, or think start and end in the brain??? If the brain is out of whack, so goes the body.

When first giving quitting a solid effort, swim went one year of hell, cravings were intense, the body felt like it was stuck in mud.....at one year swim went thru a sack....felt great for those few days, but bein an older male with high blood pressure and lung problems it isn;t a good idea to keep using....swim wants to live a while longer. Swim's made it 2 and a half years since that slip ....and it hasn't been easy, doing anything and everything takes mental and physical effort......without anti-d's swim is a bear, and he used to be an easy goin guy. The past 6 months things have improved. But swim just has to say, that saying meth doesn't cause physical withdrawls is a bad idea....it gives the false impression it isn't as dangerous as other drugs such as heroin. Swim will admit it is more in the head than a physical body addiction, but addiction is addiction....and a substance having any control over someone is not right. Meth isnt everyones drug of choice, many use and move on....but for many, swim included....it took ahold and had a grip like nothing else could......

[cyndi]

Swim is revisiting this thread because she went back and read her old posts. Heroine is bad, believe her she has seen people wding from it and it isn't pretty. But the question is about meth. Different people will experience different symptions. Probably after the initial blahs, the mental obsession is the worst for her. She can get it, that isn't the issue. She wants to live not die slowly. Also she is getting up in age and has bp issues too. The stuff will kill her realistically if she continued using. To her it is just a bad, overpowering, and addictive drug. Just her thoughts.

[Nofxswim]

SwinY, stop making excuses please, there are no PYS with draw from coke, amps, meth ect. Its all in ur head. You know why you get those pains??? becuase ur not eating, ur not sleeping, ur not taking care of ur self duh???

swim kno from experince. If you do the same things as u do when ur high, with out the meth u get the same results. People who are uneducated are the ones who abuse or suffer from drugs beucase they have no clue how their body works.

All meth does, yes its bad for you all drugs are if used the wrong way, anyways meth just speeds up dopemine so fast that it kills the recepters over time. So abuseing it would cause depression, swim suffers from a chem imbalcned that swim was born with. swim was born with low dopmine production. I take dexy aka leagal meth. and i never suffer from the things u guys do, beucase i take it in prescribed safe does, and take it oral safe as well. Children as young as 9 take dex aka meth, for adhd and add, they dont suffer like this as well. Its all about moderation, and what type of people are useing drugs, the people saying its phy are in denile and use it as excuse sorry for my bad typing but i'm in a rush.

Heroin on the other hand is pure phy, opitates=phy, amps=mental period, its fact plan and simple, u can lie to yourselfs all u want, but it's fact. People create there own issues inside there heads, stop useing drugs and take yourselfs to seek professional help.

Nofxswim added 8 Minutes and 16 Seconds later...

I'm sorry if swim comes off as a jerk, but i get very upset when false info is posted and people who have no clue read it and belive it, Please do some real research. swim has experinced, researched, lived in other peoples shoes. And the fact's always come up the same, its not hard, its very simple, swim understands there are people with real medical problems or use for self hate and swims heart goes out to them. But drugs get to much credit. swim is so sick and tired of people puting blame on everyone, everything but swisy selfs.

Honestly U.S goverment proganda is pisses me off so bad, they do more damage, they help get kids on drugs rather then prevent it. People in charge aka bush are bitches with power as lil wayne puts it. Moral of my lil rant is just beucase swiy feels that way dont mean its the stuff your sniffing,smokeing, or w/e its you. Think about what SWIY is doing, Meth is not doing it, please learn how amps work!!!!

[cyndi]

Swiy are you referring to swim here? After 20 something years of meth addiction, swim sort of has an idea what it does. She also is very educated on the subject and didn't feel she gave false information. She just shared her experiences with it. She could certainly do quotations but that is impersonable. That was the intention not to debate whether meth is addictive or not. Swim says it is in her case to the point it altered her life in a bad way. She just really has little else to say about this.

[Nofxswim]

swim was refering to the people who were stateing meth is a phy addiction, that is false info and people need to learn its all mental. The phy negative side effects are not due to the meth, its due to how one does not sleep, eat, take the proper precations while on the drug. If you take the proper steps and use moderation, those phy side effects wont happen, u should be bale to sleep thru most of it. Thats all swim was saying. If one understands how meth works, they know that its all in ones mind and can avoid the major pain,. Swim agrees is very addictive and swim has seen it destroy but swim sees that it only happens to troubled souls who were in pain before meth.

Nofxswim added 4 Minutes and 10 Seconds later...

Swim was just answering the org question at hand " whas meth withdraw like" there is no such thing as withdraw. Swim thinks people should look up what "withdraw" is and means. It's the lack of knowing what people are talking about and swim knows alot of hurt souls that will belive anything on this board with out question. Swim wants to provide correct info. Swim is not saying swiy exp are wrong, but that swim is saying it's not called withdraw, its called something else hehe, Swim is just making corrections on terms used info.

[th3tawav3]

Nofxswim is also taking desoxyn, so its clean w/ out crud. Most of the physical wd is just the aftermath of shit dope like btdta said earlier. Plus, even if swiy is twisting the pipe w/ shit dope, if swiy knows how to care for the body and take the right supplements swiy wont crash as hard. eating/sleeping on meth is the ONLY way swiy can handle being a regural user or else swiy gonna feel like shit.

[ketaminesx69]

All the withdrawl is, is basically your body becomes used to functioning a certain way after a while. like with breathing, swimming etc, your body programs certain tracks or routes in your brain which become almost automatic to the way we function. if you are a heavy user/use a lot in one w/e etc. then your body starts to form one of these tracks, it becomes used to functioning a certain way with certain things in your system etc. When you take this away it cause anxiety because you have lost some ability to follow your original paths. this is the "Addiction". your body may be affected because it is not used to being energetic or tired because of the tracks you have formed. This is the only "withdrawl" as such. Any new way of doing things eg. taking meth. sleeping, eating, talking etc, over a period of time will create these new tracks. And once off the new track you have created, it will take you a while to go back to/find or teach your self the old tracks again. all in all there is no such thing to me as addiction and withdrawl. Just mental control and teaching your body.

[batulover]

It starts with SWIY's mind. SWIY used up too much dopamines and SWIY's brain wasn't able to generate enough of it when needed without the regular hits SWIY has started to dream about every night. SWIY should be laughing out loud but SWIY doesn't feel like laughing. SWIY should be smiling a lot whenever SWIY is with his beloved friends and family. But SWIY just doesn't feel like smiling. SWIY just want to spend his time alone in his room for a few days or weeks or perhaps months, before this weakness starts to alleviate. SWIY has lost something precious during SWIY's high time. SWIY didn't realize it at first. But SWIY just couldn't taste JOY in life.

Days became weeks, weeks became months. SWIY tried hard to eat and sleep well. But, mind, body and soul has to work with each other or else SWIY is just another living dead.

The mind will eventually weaken the body.

Don't let it take away your soul.

[SmokingBowls420]

Deep Depression (VERY Suicidal)
Nothing seems like its worth doing
Darkened colors (swiy is used to having heavily dialated pupils)
Lack of energy (sleeping or always laying down)
Extreme desire to eat
Heavy breathing/sighing from exaustion
MEGA cravings from hell (far worse than heroin's mental addiction in swim's experience)
Extreme irritability
Voices tend to stick around for about 2 weeks to 3 months
Hallucinations go away after a week or two
Craving sugar
Premature ejaculation or a lack of ability to get hard (sometimes both)
Breath stinks for a few days from all the chemicals