Whats meth widrawl like?

[vantranist]

SWIM has been using a lot meth over the years however has never been so dependant that he gets withdrawls when he stops.

Every time SWIM does meth he gets the mental comdown (basicly sadness and cant recive pleasure from anyhting nornamlly) and if he did alot the physical comedown (flue like synmtoms)

Can anyone tell me how meth withdrawl differs from the above?

[stoneinfocus]

they don´t differ, there´re no withdrawl symptoms of meth, coke, amphetamines, because they don´t cause a physical addiction. period.

All you´ve encountered, is all there is to it.

All treatments and therpüies are just money making and live/freedom threats, if you ask me.

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BS - There is physical withdrawals

[enquirewithin]

Yes, amphetamine withdrawal, even after some time is just tiredness, boredom and constantly thinking about it (even dreaming).

[vantranist]

So when somone is a meth addict they just cant live normally without becuase they don't know what to do with themsleves unless their high?

Why is it si difficult to quite then?

SWIM has before used meth 1-3 a day for around 25 days striaght and quite, he did find it difficult to enjoy anyhting but not to the point where its any that HARD to due.

Atleast compared to what most people belive meth withdrawl is like.

Also SWIM would like too add every single dream(95% at least) he has had since he started using has had somthing to do with meth in some way.

[SpeedyDreamer]

Originally Posted by co-incidence

they don´t differ, there´re no withdrawl symptoms of meth, coke, amphetamines, because they don´t cause a physical addiction. period.

SWISD said he hoped you don't really believe that. Coming from a 4-5 year every day meth user( yes he has quit for weeks at a time several times)he can tell you from his experience that he gets physically sick. Flu like symptoms, fever, night sweats, and will sleep for days on end( if left alone). SWISD had the same reactions coming off of coke as he does meth. Now keep in mind that every persons body chemistry is different and anything put in SWIY's body may not have the same effect on SWIY as it does on SWISD. SWISD, for example, can't smoke pot unless he wants to do nothing but sleep. It's never been a "high" to him whereas his friends will smoke a blunt in the morning to get woken up. Its no different that some people can drink a bottle of vodka and still function and others can drink 3 shots and be on their lips.

[cyndi]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

Yes, amphetamine withdrawal, even after some time is just tiredness, boredom and constantly thinking about it (even dreaming).

OMG that is so not true. If it were that easy swim wouldn't be messing with the stuff. I am as we speak wding and I can tell you my friend I am in real physical pain. Swim only used 3 days and is very sick, nausia bad nausia, cramps like you wouldn't believe, head is spinning like crazy, I am surprised I can even spell right now, swim is not bored, swim HURTS, you bet swim wants a bump to get over this agony, this is a nightmare not a dream. Swim really wants to quit but will end up getting more as swim must function. THat isn't an excuse, it is reality. Now during recovery that is true, you will eventually get over the physical and go to the psycological part you are describing. One does absess for awhile but it gets easier without using, swim isn't bored normally but is obsessive. Also in swim's experience in early recovery, swim dreams about it. Swim isn't getting on to you but worries about young swimmers who think meth is ok to try. This info may enable a young swimmer to try it. If one never does it, dont!!!

[Jellyfish]

Swim definately believes that there is a physical meth withdrawal. Swim has always been very careful to only eat/insufflate her meth, however after almost daily use for 5 months, stopping this intake has resulted in sleeping for insanely long hours (ie 16 hours/day), eating everything in sight, sweats/shivers, creepy feelings on the skin, and head zaps/buzzing sensations in the head. This is on top of the obvious mental withdrawals.

If you think theres no withdrawal effects, I suggest you try it....

[SpeedyDreamer]

Anybody who says there are no physical withdrawls from meth not only read too much but they are complete idiots also. Their idea of quitting must be for a day. SWISD can go without for 2 days before the bad feelings start to set in. Of course he has so much built up in his system he could probably go longer, but in this time and space we don't want to find out.

[cyndi]

OMG swim was going to respond to this but didn't know she did. That is crazy. Anyway yes there are physical symptions at first but different than say one kicking heroine. Those are really bad wds from friends I have seen go through it. So if the swiy is comparing heroine wds to meth wds, that is two different monkeys. What I said above sums it up. However, this swimmer is proud to say she didn't get more and won't. It isn't worth it and swim isn't going to hit bottom again. Today swim's head is still swimming a bit pardon the pun. The physical is over but swim will fight the psycological part as swim had a lot of clean time in the past and knows how to do it. Swim is also on an emotional rollercoaster but not as bad as yesterday. Also very very tired. Swim had gotten some really bad news today on a personal level that in the old days would have sent her looking to ease that pain, lol on that, but got her head together and did the right thing, stayed clean and nonviolent. Peace all!

[methMADMAN]

Swim was a HEAVY user, swim would inject up to a gram (and no lesss than 1/2 gram) as much as 3x a day. Swim is 8 months clean and still twitches at night a times so violently swim cannot sleep. Swim also gets itches all over swim's body as if many feathers are tickling swim all over or many tiny bugs are crawling all over swim. Swim is happy to be clean but swim is a NA member and has a sponsor who used much like swim did. Swim's sponsor says he suffered similar symptoms for over one year. Swim still finds himself gently rocking back and forth like he did when he was tweaking. Swim does this and sometimes takes a while to realize he's doing it. Swim thinks anyone who says there is no physical withdrawl just didnt use enough meth for long enough to know what they are talking about.

[izzy31]

its horrible. It feels like you want to die.

[SpeedyDreamer]

Originally Posted by methMADMAN

Swim thinks anyone who says there is no physical withdrawl just didnt use enough meth for long enough to know what they are talking about.

Anyone who says their is no physical withdrawls is an idiot and has probably never even tried it. They're just spouting off something that they read.

[cyndi]

It is hell on earth.

[POLSKA]

Swim needs to this cuz she can't find a post on it. after going on a meth binge and not leaving the house for over a month, swim developed this unbelievably painful absess on her face. It felt like hundreds of tiny needles were coming thru swim's face and after some research swim learned about the toxins leaving the body and blah blah, but is it suppoes to be black????? Swims friend says its just blood but when it was coming thru the skin swim was watching it and messing with it, and the surface turned so hard that swim could poke it with her fingernail and it felt like hitting something with a hard surface, like a coffee cup. There isn't one hole, but many tiny little holes. Ok, now that I have everybody grossed out, any info on this?

[beentheredonethatagain]

okay kids, lets have a lesson on drugs.

Addiction comes in two forms, mental and physical.

Drugs like methamphetamine, cocaine, LSD are for some mentaly addictive, the user thinks and is only addicted because his mind has a liking to it, but if one were to stop using , the body would not go into withdraw.

The sickness felt after some go on binges with meth, are from lack of the proper nutriousion , vitamins and minerals.

Opiates on the other hand are physically addictive, taking them on a regular basis for a short period of time will cause the body to send itself into malias.

[daathman420]

I smoked for 2 years almost daily. Dont think i ever had withdrawls, the only thing that happen was getting tired and pass out. Thats just my expeirence, but i craved it. Never could stay up over a week.Everyone has different crash expierences on this.

[manda]

The desire to do more when out is pretty bad.
No energy, ever.
Coming down: Real bitchy, excitable, quick to anger and quick for that anger to escalate. Mean words can turn to violence in 2 seconds. It is scary.

[runfrom MURDER]

Originally Posted by manda

The desire to do more when out is pretty bad.
No energy, ever.
Coming down: Real bitchy, excitable, quick to anger and quick for that anger to escalate. Mean words can turn to violence in 2 seconds. It is scary.

It's horrible.

[vile_audio]

theres no withdrawal from meth

after too much use amphetamine psychosis sets in it mimics schizophrenia

the tiredness and extreme lethargy are a result of depletion of your neural make up

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[candy_kid]

imo based on what I've read and swim's experience, the effects of withdrawing use of amphetamines is likely caused by a few things.

1. most easily accomplished; the user begins to feel the effects of what they have done to themselves finally setting in-- not eating well or sleeping for 3,4,5 days doesn't feel that bad while on amps, but once off the body realizes how fucked it is- it craves food and sleep like nothing else and feels horrible like not eating or sleeping for a few days would make it feel...
2. despite not lowering the amount of dopamine after the fact like cocaine, caffeine heroin etc do, the body still seems to get used to having that elevated pleasure- this becomes what the brain expects and a day or two after ending extended use the brain feels like its getting frustrated that no normal activity is reaching these new standards- in response, potential for pleasure seems reduced and attention, calm, fun reduce with it - even though the user doesn't necessarily feel bad like those other drugs would make them feel.
3. serious abuse (chronic with increasing dose set for pleasure) has been shown to kill/down regulate dopamine and serotonin receptors (this is reduced with anti oxidants of course), swim hasn't experienced this, but some of the severe wd symptoms people are talking about are likely because amphetamines have been keeping their reduced NT receptor levels unnoticed by keeping those that are available saturated in said NTs-- I suppose this would happen until the receptors upregulated or healed themselves which I have heard happens. Symptoms of this would likely involve all sorts of dopamine functions going nuts, including those that have to do with bodily functions and not just mood (and there are a lot)

in swim's experience, amphetamine withdrawal from abuse feels like living again; catching up on all those important bodily functions he was missing-- although swim is massively tired and a little more manic than normal, the relaxation alone is worth it all. It should be noted that he also finds the comedown feels like mdma so this might not be a good comparison for most. Swim has taken amps for a length period with 8 hours a night of sleep and only 12 hours a day on and he found the only symptom of withdrawal was feeling fantastic the following days, so perhaps moderation is key..

as for the debate, imo, withdrawal in the sense of equal and opposite reaction doesn't exist directly via amps, but there can be symptoms caused by withdrawing from the drug, due to damage the drug has done and because of what the drug has allowed the user to do (not sleep, eat etc) - the traditional sense of compensating for tolerance isn't there however except in the small sense of cravings (typical to all large quantity dopamine releasing drugs) since amphetamine tolerance is directly to the drug itself and not the neurotransmitters it releases (until down regulation/damage that is) -

[beentheredonethatagain]

no dick sizing here only the facts jack. the shit peeps are thinking and buying here in the states aint pure methamphetamine, in fact its so fucked up the withdraw mentioned here is from the cut or even worse the byproduct of badly cooked speed. normal shit wont make a user sick or jones like they have described in this sad ass thread. btdta

[candy_kid]

^^ keep in mind that hitler was getting injected with 100% pure product and ended up so bad he had parkinsons like symptoms from the damage he did to himself- upping the dose beyond competing with amp tolerance to make each and every second filled with wonderful euphoria seems to be able to cause some pretty intense damage.

on that note however, I do have to agree based on many user reports of desoxyn (d-methamphetamine), all commenting that it feels almost nothing like meth. This could be due to l-methamphetamine, impurities or who knows what else, but you're prolly thinking in the right direction despite ignoring a few possibilities.

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by candy_kid

^^ keep in mind that hitler was getting injected with 100% pure product and ended up so bad he had parkinsons like symptoms from the damage he did to himself- upping the dose beyond competing with amp tolerance to make each and every second filled with wonderful euphoria seems to be able to cause some pretty intense damage.

on that note however, I do have to agree based on many user reports of desoxyn (d-methamphetamine), all commenting that it feels almost nothing like meth. This could be due to l-methamphetamine, impurities or who knows what else, but you're prolly thinking in the right direction despite ignoring a few possibilities.

the members arent talkin' about the withdraw from shooting up pure meth on a hourly basis, they are mostly talking about smoking meth.

[SpeedyDreamer]

ok if you want current up to the minute actual facts, Speedy has been on the wagon for 6 days after 5 years of daily use. Homemade ,super quality , no cut, rextalized, as pure as homemade gets. He went to work monday feeling like shit. More of just a run down feeling than anything. He woke up tuesday with a fever and did nothing but lay in bed covered up till fever broke got up long enough to eat all he could, go back to bed with re-occuring fever and the cycle has countinued thru thursday afternoon. Friday he laid out of work one more day just because he couldn't get motivated. He has eaten everything in the house and has slept off and on for three days. But now, THATS IT. Over it, gone, done. No cravings, No bad dreams( like he had when he quit coke). Back to normal life. (if there is such a thing as normal).

THE END

If anything changes he will be glad to let everyone know. Until then, Thats the absolute answer to the question. Keep in mind, everyones chemical makeup is different, so everyone can not expect the same reaction. Just as 2 people can smoke the exact same stuff and it will have a different effect on each. Just as said by BTDTA , the cut and quality has a lot to do with the initial effect and also the coming down effect. It will be slightly different in each person.

[vantranist]

^^^^^^^^^^^


Did swiy ever sample crystal off the streets?

How did the homemade compare, high wise and also potency?

example:
1g of decent street shit
is how much of 1g of homemade?

SWIM asks because he currently is trying to get a rxn going...