A meth question

[MrG]

An excellent thread and one that my lab monkey would like me to investigate further.

My monkey enjoys partying with his mate on Cocaine and GHB but does get very pissed off with the whole "dodgy dealer, dodgy cuts" aspect and would prefer to switch to a substance that could be manufactured to a relatively pure degree.

He is unfamiliar with meth or crystal meth and has been somewhat stymied by the whole 'one hit of meth and your life is fucked' routine.

Could those researchers who are truly in the know report the following:

A) The un/similarities between cocaine and meth and crystal meth
B) The comparable effects of snorting or smoking
C) The dosing of meth compared to coke

Ta.

[SpeedyDreamer]

Originally Posted by MrG

Could those researchers who are truly in the know report the following:

A) The un/similarities between cocaine and meth and crystal meth
B) The comparable effects of snorting or smoking
C) The dosing of meth compared to coke

Ta.

SWISD was a coke abuser for about 5 years. 3 of those years was every single day. Some of the similarities are;
Keeps you wide awake and on the go.
Can be smoked, snorted, or shot.
Similar in form.
Both tend to cause cramps from poor nutrition

Some of the un-;
On meth, one has no problem eating.
After about a year of use one can sleep when desired.
Meth dosen't give you that jaw "clench" unless it's unclean
Since they can eat, people have more of a tendency to neglect dental hygeine.
Being a productive member of society. On meth one can be seen and act resonable in public. Not constantly snorting and wiping nose.


Comparable effects of smoking vs snorting are about the same. Smoking seems to last longer and snorting seems to act faster. Not that smoking is slow. Meth tends to burn a whole lot more when snorted than coke.

Dosing seems to be in favor of meth. An 8 ball of pure meth will last SWISD for more than a week whereas an 8 ball of coke has been know to be consumed in hours.

Overall SWISD, without a doubt prefers meth over coke any day.

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Excellent information thank you.

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by SpeedyDreamer

Meth dosen't give you that jaw "clench" unless it's unclean

SWIM has no experience with Meth, but what is the rationale for only "unclean" Meth causing jaw clences? Perfectly clean MDMA causes jaw clenches, and SWIM was under the impression it was due to the effects of the drug on particular neurotransmitters which would make it apply to Meth as well.

[izzy31]

i dont absolutely regret it, but I'm still more miserable now than I've ever been.

[runfrom MURDER]

SWIM usually doesn't regret, but just can't stand the hellish comedown. SWIM thinks of it as a price to pay for getting so damn nicely high for a bit.

[momoftwinboys]

Swim was a hard core user for 3 years. She would still be using if not for her children. She moved to a new big city and was introduced to it by a friend... she loved it from day #1 and still craves it more than anything in the world. She used everyday for 3 years and slept only 2-3 days a week for those 3 years. In those 3 years, she lost friends, stoled money from loved ones, had sex with people she wouldn't have, and racked up over 50 tousand dollars in credit card debt (cash advances and late night walmart trips). She wishes she never touched the stuff, but since she did, she just wishes she would stop wanting it...

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yes this is what happens

[cyndi]

Well swim thinks we are can agree meth doesn't make us happy. Actually pretty miserable. It takes and takes and gives nothing back. Why do we do it? We forget the bad times and think hmmmm a little wouldn't hurt and I can be "happy" for a while. Of course we forget the horrible comedown and craziness that comes with it. Yeah like mom, swim also had to give it up because of kids, but it was very very hard. Swim had to move and change her life completely which is scarey. She still craved it, it is an odd drug in that way. It is very hard to give up. Swim wishes there was an answer.

[dogzz]

Ah yes....meth is nice because it keeps us just ahead or way ahead of our problems....Swim also agrees with what has been said of meth quality. Poorly made, bad cutters and fills....gives a bad high, an awful comedown....overall a pain in the ass that is not worth using. Good clean meth on the other hand......pure bliss....a great high, comedowns are not bad after a short run.....but when ya got it....do it.....who does a short run? then the comedowns are harder.....and as long as there is more quality product to be had....no regrets.....untill supply runs out....or the desire to no longer use comes up.......then there is a LOT of regret. Over the years swim can count the number of people who've used meth and quit no regrets on one hand.......the number of those with regrets......too many to count.

[morrisonf]

How would SWIY describe a "bad high"?

[silenius]

Swim wants to know, has anyone done meth and not sincerely regretted it?

SWIM has done meth and has not regretted it. He follows a few basic rules to fight the development of habits wrt drugs:

* consume consciously: ask yourself "habit or intention?" whenever taking something.
* be open about all drugs to your (drug-geek) friends. If your friends know, they are able to understand you much better and advise you in case you run into trouble.
If you don't want to tell them, ask yourself "Do I fear the reaction? Might they be right?"
* planning: Don't try to squeeze a drug in your schedule. For example, 250ug LSD on Sunday night is a bad idea when you need to be sober/functioning Monday 09:00am.
* know the substance/dose: As purity is unknown most of the time, SWIM prefers to buy a larger quantity and try with low doses first. Once a dose is found, SWIM sticks to the dose. If effects wear off, SWIM stops completely for at least the period of time he consumed the substance.

SWIM admits that it took him some years to develop this attitude, but today SWIM can have drugs in his freezer and he is not tempted all the time.

[cyndi]

OMG not swim, no way, if meth was in the freezer she would be smoking it right now till it was all gone. Swim breaks the meth rules. But again swim can't be rational with meth. Some can and I hate them, kidding, smile, really swim doesn't know why she can't use a little here and there, that was swim's problem in the first place. Now if it wasn't swim's drug of choice such as oh say cola, yeah it could gather dustballs as it isn't swim's thing.

[morrisonf]

Originally Posted by cyndi

OMG not swim, no way, if meth was in the freezer she would be smoking it right now till it was all gone. Swim breaks the meth rules. But again swim can't be rational with meth. Some can and I hate them, kidding, smile, really swim doesn't know why she can't use a little here and there, that was swim's problem in the first place. Now if it wasn't swim's drug of choice such as oh say cola, yeah it could gather dustballs as it isn't swim's thing.

On this note...wouldn't storing meth in the freezer degrade it's quality?

[smark]

Originally Posted by morrisonf

On this note...wouldn't storing meth in the freezer degrade it's quality?

Swim hasnt found that to be the case as when left in the freezer it hardens/dries which makes it easier to chop and doesnt stick to the baggie making it easier to get all the goodness out.

As for the meth question,

Swim has been a hardcore user of heroin,coke(powder and crack) and meth over the years. Swim has been able to take it or leave it to a certain extent although Heroin was harder to leave alone as swim had ready access to large amounts and was costing nothing. Swim loves his coke but if swim has a large amount he will cook up a large rock and pipe the lot in one sitting(swim knows this is pointless as the first pipe is the best and you just keep chasing that first hit)
As for meth, swim likes to smoke it over snorting it as swim finds this the best method for that hard long lasting high and has been known to smoke up to 2g in one sitting. Swims only problem with meth is the not being able to sleep as swim can sleep on speed,coke,crack,e but not meth. Swim learned fast to have valium handy as after 10 days with no sleep and nothing to eat it can get annoying, swim also learned smoking weed in an attempt to bring swim down doesnt work, for swim this heightens and extends the high.
Swim thinks its down to each individual to know their limit(swims is when swim runs out of drugs,booze and money, usually friday nights) but swim wont say to someone dont do it when swim does, case of the pot calling the kettle black IMO.

Swim knows enough people whos lives have been ruined(and some lost) due to drugs.

Swim can honestly say swim does not regret any of it, swim leads a relativly normal life,got a job,flat,car,girlfriend(who doesnt smoke or take drugs but has no objection to swims recreational use). Swim is happy to admit things can and have got out of control and occasionally stil do when swim goes on a bit of a mad one usually lasting 3-4 days which are becoming rarer and rarer.

Its up to swiy to know if swiy can use and not abuse if swiy has doubts dont do it. Swim is happy to snort,smoke and swallow what comes his way, when it comes his way but he hardly botheres to go on the hunt as its expensive,too much hassle and too risky where swim is (although crystal is available 24/7) and swim doesnt need it to get through his day.

swim has gone well off the point and realizes hes waffling but SWIM has come across some amphetamine base which is wicked so swim is wired and begs forgiveness for wasting your time reading all this if it was a waste and if it wasnt then some good came out of that fat line

[silenius]

But again swim can't be rational with meth.

SWIY could write "lab notes", a diary/documentation of a meth-session (or any substance) When SWIY writes down the times SWIY takes a hit and documents the effects (also with time), SWIY will see that the 2nd hit in a row is a waste of money.

SWIM does also perform extensive research into a substance before he considers taking it. Erowid's experience reports (http://erowid.org/experiences/) have been proven to be a good resource for mapping the positive and negative paths people can go with a substane.

OTOH, SWIY should not feel compelled to "be a rational meth user" - not being a meth user at all is also ok

[JustLooking]

Desoxyn is prescribed in doses of 5mg per day. If people take 500 or 1000mg of street meth in one go, with all its impurities, they are asking for trouble. stick to a sensible dose and you will be fine.

[cyndi]

Originally Posted by JustLooking

Desoxyn is prescribed in doses of 5mg per day. If people take 500 or 1000mg of street meth in one go, with all its impurities, they are asking for trouble. stick to a sensible dose and you will be fine.

Swim prefers meth to any scripted speed, and doesn't really care about the impurities when trying to get tweaked. Well one could argue that there is no sensible dose in this speed madness. Swim will use till the baggie is gone. Sick but she is like that. That is the reason it made her crazy and she stopped for a long time.

About the freezer thing, swim tried that once. It did seem to degrade the quality, agreed there. That was because the speed was goopy and she thought it would harden thus easy to chop, wrong and a brainfreeze from heck. That was in the early stages of use, and all that was around. Years ago.

[SpeedyDreamer]

SWISD does a re-crystalization to properly clense his product before consumption. That is done pimarily in the freezer. It can't possibly hurt the quality. He also stores everything else in the freezer before use. I.E. LGRP, I2 crystals, pot, and anything else he doesn't want seen or contaminated. Never once has he had anything go bad or lose quality.

[SpeedyDreamer]

Well SWISD could try to blow smoke up your ___ and make up something, but he won't. All he can tell you is from years of experience. Now he has been told it is the azerdines and other impurities which cause the clenching, hair crawling, and general tweeking. SWISD has a job in the retail business where he is around the public daily, so he can't afford to look like a tweeker. However in his 4+ years of coke abuse, his jaw gave him away every time even he had only used a little.

[beentheredonethatagain]

^^^^ yep speedy dreamer , its not often when a user is aware of the tell tale signs of a person on a chemical or mixture of the sort. The minute I see the jaw start that grind or the lips flapping around and around on a person, I know some about them right off. I have done the lip rolling thing , too many of us usally don't notice we do those facial movements and just go around wearing our pleasures on our face. swib is from the old school way of do as much as humanly possible and do not let it show. If you are going to indulge in certain of life pleasures , Maintaining a straight and sober outward appearance is the way a cool guy is measured. If one of the guys had some liquor for instance and he acted like a drunk he wasn't cool, even if he had polished off a liter of whiskey. and the same about methamphetimine, swib could have rigged up a gram of dick in the dirt , but if he were to act buzzed then the respect from the fellas would not last. so that being said , swib has be doing it that way so long he doesn't know how to act when he is not on anything.