SWIMs dilemma concerning obtaining adderall

[paperstreet]

SWIM is currently a 19 year old student who, for the past year has used adderall in a very responsible manner. (besides purchasing it from friends and using it to stay up all night the night before every single one of his tests) Other than that swim has not ever insufflated it or taken it for recreational purposes, and while it is obviously a temptation for him, swim's intentions are mostly pure concerning adderall.

Swim is extremely interested in obtaining a prescription for adderall because he feels that if there were a situation where he could not find any before any big tests it would be very frustrating and swim's performance might not be as good as if he had taken adderall.

Anyways, there are forseeable problems that swim may have obtaining the adderall:

1. Swim has been arrested for weed before and had to do a court ordered drug treatment program, which may or may not be on swim's medical history.

2. In addition to that swim has been arrested for alcohol (as a minor) and had to do a 6 week, 12 hour program for that to... which may or may not be on swim's medical history.

3. SWIM is only 19 years old and has no idea how health insurance works. He is pretty sure that it has decent coverage though and will more than likely help out with paying for the psychiatrist visit(s) and the medication.

4. SWIM ended up with a 3.81 GPA on a 4 pt. scale last semester, and it may be hard to convince people that he has problems studying (even though he really does think he has many symptoms of ADD, he attributes much of his success in college to Adderall)

So basically swim is looking for advice on how to go about this. Some specifics that he is particularly interested in are what to say and do to make sure he lands adderall and not some crap like Stratterra, which seems to be all the rage nowadays. SWIM has tried stratterra and it honestly sucks so bad, it makes Swim feel even worse that before.

Also, should swim tell the psychiatrist that he has taken adderall and it has worked or should he avoid that completely?

Will the doctor know that swim has had to do programs and see specialists for his trouble with alcohol and weed as a minor, and if he does know will this matter?

If swim does land a script for adderall, he would only take it like once a week and for tests, not everyday.

And one more thing, swim is also trying to get ambien (which he was prescribed briefly and worked great for him) and valium for his public speaking anxiety. How will this affect his attempt to obtain adderall?

[cyndi]

Ok if swim is on probation and is taking drug tests, swim would be fine with an adderall script by a doctor. If swim finds adderall on the streets, swim would be sol. I agree strattera is not effective at all. This swimmer has 2 add kids who have tried adderall, ritalin, and strattera. Ritalin made them jumpy and strattera was not effective at all. Adderall did help them focus so they went from hating school and failing to honor students. Now for the vals and ambien. I seriously doubt you could obtain a legal prescription for those meds. It is really hard to get benzos even for me who has never been in trouble and is 40 something. LOL! For the ambien you could say that it helps you sleep since adderall does interfer with sleep if that is the case. The doc may script you remeron instead since it is getting difficult for a doc to script ambien lately. This swimmer likes ambien too. It is very effective for insomnia. I have public speaking anxiety like you wouldn't believe so I feel your pain there. Take the course in the summer, it is a lot easier and shorter.

[johnmlbn]

Dude you dont have to bring your grades to the fucking doctors. Just tell them you cant concentrate. There are no records of any of that stuff in your medicsl history. Go to a new doctor, tell him you have trouble concentrating and you were diagnosed with adhd as a kid. Tell them you dont remmember the doctors name becaue you went to so many. If they ask how many you took a day say 2 that would give you a start out script of 60 10mg pills a month and you work from there. Aderall is the easiest thing in the world to get perscribed!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wmontgom]

Hey swim,
are you still having trouble getting prescribed? It sounds like you might qualify for adderall as it can also be used to get over a hump. i am on it and have some sugguestions for you(this is my first post so i will be careful to tell you how to address the doctor, well this is really for the moderator, im not going to tell smiw how to trick the doctor)

[RadicalMexican]

Originally Posted by johnmlbn

Dude you dont have to bring your grades to the fucking doctors. Just tell them you cant concentrate. There are no records of any of that stuff in your medicsl history. Go to a new doctor, tell him you have trouble concentrating and you were diagnosed with adhd as a kid. Tell them you dont remmember the doctors name becaue you went to so many. If they ask how many you took a day say 2 that would give you a start out script of 60 10mg pills a month and you work from there. Aderall is the easiest thing in the world to get perscribed!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol you took the words out of my mouth but would have said it littler nice lol, but yea i went to a new doc and havent been on adderall since like 11th grade and i just told her i had ADD when i was younger and said "im not sure what the dose was but i remember it was orange(20mg)" and though she didnt give me 20's she have me 60 10mg pills after filling out this questionnaire which all u did was select the answers that made u look dumb. Real easy shit to get

[OhCasey]

Haha Ya anyone can pass those test for adderall. By pass i mean make it say you have add and need adderall, my doc didnt make me take one but he showed it to me. It says things like on a scale of agree, somewhat agree, somewhat Disagree, or disagree. Then the questions are like "i have trouble reading without losing my place or going over what ive read" or "Im constantly losing my train of thought". If you agree with a certain amount then you have add.

[staples]

I've been (or, am) prescribed to benzos for anxiety, ambien/trazadone/remeron/lunesta/more benzos/etc for sleep, and adderall/methylphenidate/vyvanse for ADHD all at the same time.

I started treating depression/anxiety and insomnia first, then 2-3 years later, when I got a good hold on those I started asking about ADHD. My psychiatrist said that usually if someone starts having sleeping trouble or anxiety after starting stimulant treatment for ADHD, they would assume it's not the right medication and these are simply side effects, but since I've had trouble sleeping my entire life and clearly have a family history of depression/anxiety and have been on those medications for a while, she doesn't have a problem prescribing me to a stimulant as well. Ambien in particular is generally used for 14 days, but I've been on it for over 2 years now.

I like vyvanse more than adderall, but to each his own I guess.

My doctor knows that I've gotten 2 MIPs and was on a year of probation with random drug testing and all that similar to the OP. She also knows that I had like a 3.9 for a while (went down a bit lately.. I'm working on it). My doctor is particularly a specialist in ADHD treatment, I asked her about straterra and before I even finished my sentence she said "it doesn't work" so I wouldn't worry about that too much.

Some doctors, instead of the survey questions, are starting to require brain scans before prescribing schedule II substances such as adderall or concerta; Studies have shown that parts of the right prefrontal cortex are smaller in those with ADHD, at least I think that's right, I'll check my textbook and update if that's wrong tomorrow.

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by staples

I've been (or, am) prescribed to benzos for anxiety, ambien/trazadone/remeron/lunesta/more benzos/etc for sleep, and adderall/methylphenidate/vyvanse for ADHD all at the same time.

I started treating depression/anxiety and insomnia first, then 2-3 years later, when I got a good hold on those I started asking about ADHD. My psychiatrist said that usually if someone starts having sleeping trouble or anxiety after starting stimulant treatment for ADHD, they would assume it's not the right medication and these are simply side effects, but since I've had trouble sleeping my entire life and clearly have a family history of depression/anxiety and have been on those medications for a while, she doesn't have a problem prescribing me to a stimulant as well. Ambien in particular is generally used for 14 days, but I've been on it for over 2 years now.

I like vyvanse more than adderall, but to each his own I guess.

My doctor knows that I've gotten 2 MIPs and was on a year of probation with random drug testing and all that similar to the OP. She also knows that I had like a 3.9 for a while (went down a bit lately.. I'm working on it). My doctor is particularly a specialist in ADHD treatment, I asked her about straterra and before I even finished my sentence she said "it doesn't work" so I wouldn't worry about that too much.

Some doctors, instead of the survey questions, are starting to require brain scans before prescribing schedule II substances such as adderall or concerta; Studies have shown that parts of the right prefrontal cortex are smaller in those with ADHD, at least I think that's right, I'll check my textbook and update if that's wrong tomorrow.

Swim has bad insomnia and has wanted to stay away from medications to help him sleep since he already was on Hydrocodone and didnt want to throw in another med on top of it. Recently he asked for something and his Family Doc gave him Baclofen as he said its common to use it for sleep if youre on Hydrocodone 10/325. Swim didnt like it too much and didnt notice it helping his insomnia so he just dropped it. Swims old Pain Management doc prescribed him elavil a couple years ago for insomnia since she said it helps with nerve pain as well as insomnia. He took elavil(Amitriptyline) for about a year, stopped because of the zombie feeling he got without any real relief from insomnia. Now that swim is on adderall hes going to ask for something else for sleeping. Are you on Ambien CR or regular Ambien. Cause Ambien CR is approved for long term use. Which one of the many sleeping aides that youve tried do you like the best? Swim recently tried niravam from a friend and it helped a good amount but swim hates to ask for any one thing by name, he'd be much more comfortable suggesting a couple different drugs to his doc.

[staples]

Originally Posted by OhCasey

Swim has bad insomnia and has wanted to stay away from medications to help him sleep since he already was on Hydrocodone and didnt want to throw in another med on top of it. Recently he asked for something and his Family Doc gave him Baclofen as he said its common to use it for sleep if youre on Hydrocodone 10/325. Swim didnt like it too much and didnt notice it helping his insomnia so he just dropped it. Swims old Pain Management doc prescribed him elavil a couple years ago for insomnia since she said it helps with nerve pain as well as insomnia. He took elavil(Amitriptyline) for about a year, stopped because of the zombie feeling he got without any real relief from insomnia. Now that swim is on adderall hes going to ask for something else for sleeping. Are you on Ambien CR or regular Ambien. Cause Ambien CR is approved for long term use. Which one of the many sleeping aides that youve tried do you like the best? Swim recently tried niravam from a friend and it helped a good amount but swim hates to ask for any one thing by name, he'd be much more comfortable suggesting a couple different drugs to his doc.

I've been on both. During more anxious times, normal Ambien doesn't seem to work as well so I would start waking up after 3-4 hours of sleep. I switched to Ambien CR which has a little bit more zolpidem (12.5mg as opposed to 10) which I believe starts being released 2 hours after ingestion...

Anyway, as I would take care of anxiety, Ambien CR started working TOO well, and I would have a hard time getting up in the morning, so I switched back to normal Ambien. I think most docs will be comfortable prescribing the CR though, since I think it's less abusable (I guess generic forms of normal ambien don't have the coating which sticks to pulverized chunks of zolpidem, meaning generics can be snorted more easily I think).

Ambien definitely works the best for me, and it seems to have the most potential for "fun". I've never heard of Baclofen, but Elavil sounds a lot like Remeron, which didn't do much for me. I can't remember if it was Remeron or Effexor (around the same time) that gave me intense migraines. Klonnopin didn't do anything for me (strange since a lot of people seem to love it). Trazadone worked okay but it would conflict with other drugs I'm on now, it only left me a little groggy, but a lot of doctors will readily prescribe it because of its low potential for abuse. Lunesta gave me nightmares, and its most popular side effect seems to be a lasting bad taste that's hard to get rid of, but I didn't experience that.

[OhCasey]

Thanks im going to see what my doc thinks about it. Now that i think of it my doc mentioned klonopin before so maybe ill try that. Ive heard alot of good stuff about Ambien so ill mention that also.

[AsteroidChaser]

As I know a shadow who is prescribed adderall.
The shadow said, he was not having the same side effects as others descibe; ie,speedy feeling, appatite loss, or ultra organiztional & speech obsession.

Rather he was just brought into the 'so-called' normal way of thinking.

Not up. Not down. Not great.

However, he was not in the deep daRK HOLE OF DESPAIR either anymore.

THAT was Remarkable!

The ID Doc. said, that was why this med is available, and basically for that only.
Yet it was being loosely script to a lot of people who don't need it.

Well, he said if someone has a recreational expeirance when taking it 'only'.

Then they don't need it.

So way your word's carefully, otherwise you reveal your real motives.

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by AsteroidChaser

As I know a shadow who is prescribed adderall.
The shadow said, he was not having the same side effects as others descibe; ie,speedy feeling, appatite loss, or ultra organiztional & speech obsession.

Rather he was just brought into the 'so-called' normal way of thinking.

Not up. Not down. Not great.

However, he was not in the deep daRK HOLE OF DESPAIR either anymore.

THAT was Remarkable!

The ID Doc. said, that was why this med is available, and basically for that only.
Yet it was being loosely script to a lot of people who don't need it.

Well, he said if someone has a recreational expeirance when taking it 'only'.

Then they don't need it.

So way your word's carefully, otherwise you reveal your real motives.

For the most part Adderall does have a more of an evening out effect on those who need it for add then those who dont. But dont make the mistake of thinking that some if not all of the side effects arent present in people who actually do need it. Not everyones body reacts the same to different medications. Maybe swiy didnt have a loss of appetite but swim did and so so many people who actually needthe meds. Dont be so quick to judge or assume that everyone would react the same as swiy has to Adderall. Plus this site is for anyone and there are alot of swimmers who dont need it and take it recreationally.

[AsteroidChaser]

SWIM agree, and I opoligise for sounding judgemental.
The Shadow of ID. says that it was only meant to help others be aware that in some peoples brains they are not blessed with beautiful chemical balance; and that others would at a minimum' have a BASELINE picture of original intent of the pharm.

Other than that, S of ID is subject to wehat we all are subject to.

Peace for all
I

[Symantic]

my m8 told me that he has been having trouble sleeping and paying attention in school/showing up.

he said that his other friend gave him like a 3 day supply of his adderall and my m8 said that he has been learning things alot easier and actually sleeping better.

my m8 does not have a diagnostic from a doctor because he felt he never had a problem, but after experiancing the adderall for the 3 days he has felt better than ever, seems like the day to day tasks have become easier.

would this be a good thing to tell a doctor to get an adderall script? should he ask his doctor to get tested for add and such?
could he go to his regular kaiser hospital and ask for a appointment with his regular doctor?

[chronman]

i stopped into a drs office recintly to try and get prescribed a stimulant. i was asked questions about drugs/alchohol use in my family, etc, etc..i say i drink on occassion, and same for cigs. (should i not mention the fact most my family does drugs and/or are alocoholoics?)

then he wants u to memorize 3 words, ex: pot, bud, weed
then he asks a series of relativly easy questions like,
-whos the president of the US
-whos his dad
-what room are you in
-etc

i just dont know how to respond in those situations.. do i porpusly 4get one of the words or so i mess up on the answers... lol can anyone enlighten me

[soma]

SWIM may or may not have falsified a bit of information regarding his psych visit to obtain Adderall:

"I've been having trouble at work.. Diagnosed ADHD, took Adderall.. I tried to get off it, go natural, but I've been having difficulties since. It made it hard to sleep so my old doctor prescribed Temazepam"

"Do you remember the dosages?"

"I think... (long, dramatic pause) they were 30mg.. Both of them"

In a past life, SWIM was a very convincing doctor-shopper. He often felt bad when his stories not only produced a prescription, but genuine sympathy as well.