Which piperazine should swim purchase?

[TheBlackPope]

Options are:
tfmpp
mcpp
pFPP
meopp

input plz.

[Alicia]

well UTFSE and find out about each, and do a summery based on your conclusions and what u feel comfortable with.

but 50/50 combinations of BZP and TFMPP should prove entertaining they do for swia.

[vcdman]

my pet cat has consumed pfpp
(flipiperazine) and found it had a lot of body load

My pet cats feline freind found no body load

Other than this it was rather fun to watch T.V. for hours, as it was
MUCH more meaningful than normal -

The cats consumed 70mg each

Their was "almost" OEV's but that was all, but it was reasonbly enjoyable .
It lasted approx 4 hrs all up
No comedown

Good Luck

[vcdman]

By the way tfmpp is pretty useless, unless in combination with BZP

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[TheBlackPope]

What have you guys heard about mCPP

I have HEARD (really) that is is similar to MDMA but I have my doubts.

That is from reading^^

I don't think BZP is legal in USA though

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[Mona Lisa]

SWIM has tried Mcpp twice, once at about 70 mg of powder on its own and again at 50 mg in combination with 100 mg MeoPP in a pill that a certain vendor sells.

SWIM actually enjoyed the powder and felt a lot of empathy. She was thinking of an old friend and her, etc. But SWIM is aware that it can be very dose sensitive and has not tried it again.

SWIM's experience with the pre-pressed pill was actually less impressive. She simply felt more mellow, perhaps from the MEOPP. It didnt' make a big impression on her so she doesn't remember it all that well.

SWIM has also tried pfpp in pre-packaged capsules and enjoyed it for a mellow trippy experience, though it has more body load and queasiness.

Overall, SWIM recommends BZP mixed with TFMPP at a ratio of about 3 to 1. (mostly BZP). It's not as eurphoric as MDMA or similar analogs but has its own qualities which include increased mood and energy, enthusiasm and enhanced music appreciation. Not as loved up as E, but still very nice. She hasn't noticed a major comedown if sensible doses are taken (under 250mg of BZP and under 100mg of TFMPP per session).

SWIM also found the pre-packaged pills/tablets far smoother than the pure powdered versions, perhaps because amino acids and vitamins are also mixed in the pills.

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[Whit]

Originally Posted by TheBlackPope

What have you guys heard about mCPP

I have HEARD (really) that is is similar to MDMA but I have my doubts.

That is from reading^^

I don't think BZP is legal in USA though

Not heard alot about mCPP at all although it is a stimulant although used less in terms of recreation compared to BZP. EDIT: forgot to add that mCPP can induce headaches.

Expereince and opinions SWIMS heard from others, BZP/TMFPP usually like said before with a higher amount of BZP than TMFPP gives the most MDMA like expereience, although the the drugs are different so in my opinion could never feel the same.

You are right BZP is a schedule 1 drugs in USA.

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[TheBlackPope]

Wait, Is mCPP like MDMA or not?

I would really like some first time sources for this.

[Alicia]

cant give out sources read the rules

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[radiometer]

My question:

How the hell are total strangers on the internet supposed to tell SWIY what drug he should take?

Look up the individual drugs yourself. Find out what they do. Between this board's search engine and that on erowid, there is a wealth of data sitting there waiting to be sifted through. I know for a fact that there are hours worth of reading available here regarding the effects of various piperazines. If that information is lacking, then ask some specific questions.

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[Nagognog2]

I, too, find it disconcerting when people come wandering in with a handful of of pills and want us to tell them which one to swallow - first!

The answer should be the same: None of them! This is like modeling dresses for a room full of blind-men and asking which one looks the most sexy.

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[cennerteal]

Swim feels it is always sensible to do own personal research and spend a good few hours reading up on experiences and how your pet cat might react to certain piperazines.

[SurferRosa]

Rumour has it that fairly high doses of meOPP in combination with BZP produce feelings very, very similar indeed to those of MDMA.

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by SurferRosa

Rumour has it that fairly high doses of meOPP in combination with BZP produce feelings very, very similar indeed to those of MDMA.

Keep in mind that a large number of positive reports are posted by vendors. While some effects may be semi - similar they generally lack the empathy and are accomponied by negative bodyload. Also many people are comparing these Piperazines to steetpills (which may contain Piperazines and other bunk) as opposed to pure MDMA which has quite unique effects.

[radiometer]

Rumor has it you can get high from smoking banana peels...

[chemlove]

banana peels wtf am i doing in here!

where's the nearest grocery store (just kidding of course)

Always listening to rumor or here say is a great way to hurt (or kill) yourself

if i tell you that eating a bottle motor oil will make you trip would you give it to your cat ( i sure as hell hope not) and for the record it won't do anything for you cat, but kill it so don't do anything with that motor oil in your garage.

[cennerteal]

Originally Posted by SurferRosa

Rumour has it that fairly high doses of meOPP in combination with BZP produce feelings very, very similar indeed to those of MDMA.

My pet cat swimmy tried the above combination and was disappointed, not that the wise cat expected an MDMA type experience, but it was not even close to it, as was not the mcpp bzp combination. Different but not related. Not altogether unpleasant but it's untrue that it's an experience closely related to MDMA, but vendors seem to think it is, so there you go. Don't believe the hype, says my cat, and good luck to you!

[c17h21no4]

personally meopp and tfmpp are a must IMHO nad of course sime BZP to mix it with either one.
altho' meopp doesn't really give you a rush or that insane coughing coming like when shooting meth it's really nice. swim tryed it first when he ran out of amps and ethylcathinone and he was shocked how he could feel so good , energetic in some weird way but all his muscles relaxed , when i was dancing it felt like i had springs at every joint. pretty nice ... tfmpp is quite nice too , but piperazines work best in combos IMHO

[Routemaster Flash]

Sildenafil, a.k.a. Viagra.

(it is a piperazine...you didn't specify psychoactive ones!)

[leckie]

swim has bzp and mcpp... avoid mcpp its vile lol take more than 200mg and it will be insane lol bzp is good swim thinks its tremendous... swim suggests pfpp

[FrAnCioS-]

Swim would purchase none Piperazine is horid

[IndigooChild]

to be honest swim hasnt tried any of the others but swiy should stay away from pFPP man i hate that stuff i remeber just throwing up and entering laughing fits. wasn't great.

[leckie]

haha swim just got pure tfmpp and pfpp. swim had pfpp then tfmpp tfmpp was amazing wat a gr8 laff. swim is missing the bzp buzz amazing laff

[BiatX]

for me all piperzaines are crappy, is not my stuff .... people react very differently on piperazines.

[Mayday]

The only piperazine i like is MeoPP