Best joint filler - Alternative to Tobacco

[MrG]

With the never ending stream of studies that seem to raise the issue of the damage caused by smoking unfiltered joints that have had the mj mixed with tobacco, SWIM wonders if anyone has any "healthier" alternative fillings.

Whilst there is the obvious option to use "legal high" herbs to accompany the mj, the user would end up paying a premium for a product that, as long as his local supply is of good quality, didn't actually need to enhance the joint.

Bearing this in mind, is anyone aware of a joint filler that would be relatively benign when smoked, yet burn at a similar rate to tobacco.

Answers on a postcard please.

[podge]

Never tried it swimself but swims heard blue lotus is nice when mixed with cannabis. Perhaps when swim read about it was in relation to bong use but it might be worth looking into too see how blue lotus burns for use in spliffs.

[FrankenChrist]

Dried mint is nice, but a bit heavy as well.

[Trebor]

Lettuce, or Salvia leaves if you can afford them.

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Top man, excellent advice.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Trebor

Lettuce, or Salvia leaves if you can afford them.

SWIM tried salvia leaves-- and ended up very high!

[MrG]

Originally Posted by Trebor

Lettuce

Lettuce? Are you yanking my chain? Seriously, how does that work?

I assume its not store bought salad lettuce you are talking about, or is it?

[Trebor]

Originally Posted by MrG

Lettuce? Are you yanking my chain? Seriously, how does that work?

I assume its not store bought salad lettuce you are talking about, or is it?

I'm very serious. Not wjile it's still fresh mind you. You can dry it in an oven at very low temps for a while.

[MrG]

Originally Posted by Trebor

I'm very serious. Not wjile it's still fresh mind you. You can dry it in an oven at very low temps for a while.

Right, SWIM is going to try this in the next few days. Regular lettuce. Dried.

But if I catch you sniggering . . . . .!

[Alicia]

Lactura virosa (wild opium lettuce), and parsley. Mostly swia rolls pure or at all.

[Heretic.Ape.]

Monkey says there's always the option of simply smoking the cannabis by itself. He's rather curious as to why so many people use "filler" in the first place?

[MrG]

^^^^^ Weed only joints can be awfully wasteful with a fair amount of it burning off into the atmosphere instead of someone's lungs.

Smoking a joint with a filler such as tobacco is a lot more efficient.

It probably didn't matter back when weed was cheap but weaker than the current strains available to most consumers. Now people pay a premium for a product that needs less to achieve a good high.

'Sides which, SWIM can't smoke resin in a joint without a filler of some sort.

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by MrG

'Sides which, SWIM can't smoke resin in a joint without a filler of some sort.

Just a shame people have to use cancer causing fillers, that allows people to attack or make bullshit statics that weed causes cancer when they don't count the tokers that mix there joints with tobacco.

[MrG]

Maybe we could start a new movement. If it is possible to find a benign filler that we all agree on then we could promote its use above tobacco.

Could make a difference.

[Purest]

Swim tends to buy bags of legal highs, the ones with lotus leaves tend to work very well. One particular bag of legal had strange purple leaves, turned the smoke in the bong a slight shade of blue which was very strange.
The legal high "Spice gold" is good to mix with but only if you're toking, spice through a bong just isn't nice.

[Nargyle]

What about pipes? SWIM always smokes through his lovely glass pipe and never has to worry about being wasteful with his weed or using cancer causing fillers. For SWIM pipe is the way to go!

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Nargyle

What about pipes? SWIM always smokes through his lovely glass pipe and never has to worry about being wasteful with his weed or using cancer causing fillers. For SWIM pipe is the way to go!

SWIM agrees! Unless you want to use a vaporiser.

[podge]

Originally Posted by Nargyle

What about pipes?

True but passing a spliff is more of a social thing , yes a bong, vaporiser etc can be passed also but its not quite as discreet or convinient as a spliff. If swim were to pass around bong hits to all his friends his bag would deplete a little too fast for financial reasons.

Also smoking cannabis with tobacco give's a different high to smoking cannabis pure.....not saying its better or worse, just different time's call for different highs.

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SO so true. McBollocks lost his seat!!!!

[hh339]

Don't forget about hash, which is hard to smoke pure in joints. Not to mention the large amont you would need for a decent joint.

[Heretic.Ape.]

Monkey enjoys just getting some cheap redbud on occasion for that nice passing the joints around experience, and saves the high quality stuff for pipes, bongs, etc. Or he just rolls smaller joints for quality material since it still gets everyone stoney-balognied. But monkey isn't too picky about his bud usually so that may not be a desirable option for many.

[keats]

I'm vehemently anti-smoking, but I really don't see tobacco filling as that big of a deal. I mean unless you smoke spliffs exclusively and often it's really probably not going to cause health problems. You can smoke a pack a day from 18-28, quit, and by the time you're 40 it's like you never smoked at all. Unless you're smoking multiple spliffs every day the effects of smoking less than one cigarettes worth of tobacco occasionally really isn't going to kill you.

[Each Hit]

Originally Posted by keats

I'm vehemently anti-smoking, but I really don't see tobacco filling as that big of a deal. I mean unless you smoke spliffs exclusively and often it's really probably not going to cause health problems. You can smoke a pack a day from 18-28, quit, and by the time you're 40 it's like you never smoked at all. Unless you're smoking multiple spliffs every day the effects of smoking less than one cigarettes worth of tobacco occasionally really isn't going to kill you.

many "swim"-ers smoke much more than 1 spliff a day. and some swim's hate the feeling of nicotine, which can cause headaches and nausea. swim only rolls joints of lower-grade commercial herb. high grade product tends to be smoked solely from his bowl or bong. in this manner, swim never needs filler and never wastes good weed in a joint (well, he might mix some good stuff into a joint on rare occassions). swim honestly hates joints, though, due in large part to the taste and smell of the paper.

[Thirdedge]

The Blue Lotus 5X is swims favourite mix, it seems to give him a more uplifting / less anxious stone. He also likes kanna.
If one wanted a less active mix Damiana should work well.

[Nature Boy]

Dry lettuce in a spliff sounds utterly horrific.

[Nargyle]

Would SWIY use the lettuce with or without french dressing? One could as well add some fried croutons to the mix

[Trebor]

Originally Posted by Nargyle

Would SWIY use the lettuce with or without french dressing? One could as well add some fried croutons to the mix

How could you smoke a crouton in ajoint? A hookah I could understand.


"Fuckers.

See, I knew this would happen.

Look, I don't care what you say - I trust Trebor and so does SWIM.

We'll see who has the last laugh." Mr. G


Thank's dude, means a lot.