recommendations on how to use Hawaiian Baby Woodrose and other trypts/phens

[The Wizard]

swim is puzzled at to why so many people on forums and sites like erowid bitch about getting weak or dirty effects from woodrose seeds. all i can think is they must be either buying weak seeds from a skechy vendor or not preparing them correctly. ive been researching for many yrs the effects of the various lsa containing plants and have concluded that woodrose is the best source of lsa's (lysergic acid amides- remember these plants dont just have lysergic acid amide but also a slew of other alkaloids [lsa's] which all synergize together to produce the full trip). for yrs i thought the best method for obtaining the lsa's from the seeds would be a complex solvent extraction but the more i read hoffman (he describes pure lsa as a boring depressant)and other peoples reports on the effects of pure lsa it sounded to me like the solvent extractions are worthless since not all the various lsa's are soluble in these solvents. i realized the only way one would get the true full effects are to simply grind the seeds and ingest them as is without doing any sort of extraction at all. and the more i read forums i found some of the least nauseating experiences came from putting the ground seeds in capsules. swim has tried woodrose 10 or 12 different times now and def finds that the grinding and packing in capsules method the best. Fasting is very important too. I recommend u only eat a light meal at the beginning of the day then prior to eating the seeds have some cookies/crackers and pudding. then swallow the seed capsules washed down with lots of water and after this munch on a tiny bit more cookies n pudding. swim finds the effects start in an hr or so and dont really intensify a lot until it's 3 or 4 hrs into the experience. ive found a huge variation in the effects of seeds from different vendors. some seeds can cause very stoning heavy lazy opiate/kb like effects while other seeds can cause a more stimulating hyper alert x/mushroom like effect. swim has experimented over the yrs with cid, mushrooms, amt once, 2ce around 15 times, 2ct2 a few times, dxm hundreds of times, k many times, morning glory 4 or 5 times, and ayahuasca once and finds woodrose to be one of the ultimate trips. swim has gotten the ultimate woodrose trip when combining it with syrian rue. the woodrose/rue trip (called LSAhuasca) is extremely powerful and can cause profound oevs, cevs and out of body experiences. cannabis, kratom, dxm, 2ce and cid all also combine quite well with hbw. all in all woodrose is truly one of swims favorite psychedelics and its a true shame more people dont know about the seeds or dont realize the correct way to consume them. swim finds 15 woodrose seeds combined with 4 grams of syrian rue to be more powerful than 5 squares of potent blotter or 50 mg of 2ce. an lsahuasca trip for swim rivals some of his most intense mushroom journeys (like the one where he ate an 1/8 of insanely potent thai mushrooms). one of swims favorite aspects of woodrose is the fact its so incredibly easy to steer to direction of the trip and turn the effects off and on at will. its also very easy to handle in public and interact with other people on. also falling asleep on it is very easy and one will wake up the next day very refreshed. also some strains of seeds can produce really fun colorful animated cartoonish visuals and swim has trouble getting much visuals at all from cid, 2ce or mushrooms anymore. One last thing swim has found some nifty ways to boost tryptamines/phenethylamines. for one thing if u preload for a week on high doses of melatonin and 5htp then trip on phenethylamines one night youll get much stronger and longer effects. also if u preload for a week or 2 on high doses of piracetam and other smart drugs then take more of them before and during your trip you will get alot more intense effects. another good booster to a tryptamine trip is syrian rue or deprenyl. dxm is another pretty strong potentiator to tryptamine trips. an excellent way to mellow out a trip without diminishing the intensity a lot is adding some painkillers/kratom to the mix. E is another great way to boost most types of trips. well sorry to ramble so much guys i hope some of this info helped.

[Bajeda]

Your post is giving me a headache just looking at it! could you please format it to make it more readable? It seems to have some good things to say, but I can't get through it with it being a giant mass of text.

[The Wizard]

"format" the text in what way? im new to these forums and didnt know there was a certain style that my text was supposed to be formatted in to make it stand out and easier to read. sorry about that. if u do actually take the time to read what i typed i think theres some good info hidden in it.

[Bajeda]

There isn't supposed to be a certain style, its just human nature. Can you read your post easily? Maybe you can, but I dont think most people can. At least double space it, though breaking it up into paragraphs is better. Its just standard writing technique, you should break up the ideas into digestible chunks. It just hurts the eyes to have to scan through a tightly condensed mass of text. I will read what you wrote, but I'm really busy these days and it takes longer to read your post when its formatted like that.

[kryptik]

i agree w/ Bajeda... i didn't even make it past the 3rd sentence. i even skim read and found it annoying... i think bajeda is telling you to type something like this:


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something along the lines of that for formatting... just space it out... it's easier to read...

[The Wizard]

Thanks for clarifying on the desirable format for typing posts.

I was in a hurry the time I posted that long, jumbled post and should have taken the time to clean up and organize what I typed out of consideration for anyone who would read my post.

[kryptik]

The Wizard wrote:
recommendations on how to use woodrose and other trypts/phens
swim is puzzled at to why so many people on forums and sites like erowid bitch about getting weak or dirty effects from woodrose seeds. all i can think is they must be either buying weak seeds from a skechy vendor or not preparing them correctly.

i've been researching for many yrs the effects of the various lsa containing plants and have concluded that woodrose is the best source of lsa's (lysergic acid amides- remember these plants dont just have lysergic acid amide but also a slew of other alkaloids [lsa's] which all synergize together to produce the full trip).

For yrs i thought the best method for obtaining the lsa's from the seeds would be a complex solvent extraction but the more i read hoffman (he describes pure lsa as a boring depressant)and other peoples reports on the effects of pure lsa it sounded to me like the solvent extractions are worthless since not all the various lsa's are soluble in these solvents.

I realized the only way one would get the true full effects are to simply grind the seeds and ingest them as is without doing any sort of extraction at all. and the more i read forums i found some of the least nauseating experiences came from putting the ground seeds in capsules.

Swim has tried woodrose 10 or 12 different times now and def finds that the grinding and packing in capsules method the best. Fasting is very important too. I recommend u only eat a light meal at the beginning of the day then prior to eating the seeds have some cookies/crackers and pudding.

Then swallow the seed capsules washed down with lots of water and after this munch on a tiny bit more cookies n pudding. swim finds the effects start in an hr or so and dont really intensify a lot until it's 3 or 4 hrs into the experience. ive found a huge variation in the effects of seeds from different vendors. some seeds can cause very stoning heavy lazy opiate/kb like effects while other seeds can cause a more stimulating hyper alert x/mushroom like effect. swim has experimented over the yrs with cid, mushrooms, amt once, 2ce around 15 times, 2ct2 a few times, dxm hundreds of times, k many times, morning glory 4 or 5 times, and ayahuasca once and finds woodrose to be one of the ultimate trips.

Swim has gotten the ultimate woodrose trip when combining it with syrian rue. the woodrose/rue trip (called LSAhuasca) is extremely powerful and can cause profound oevs, cevs and out of body experiences. cannabis, kratom, dxm, 2ce and cid all also combine quite well with hbw. all in all woodrose is truly one of swims favorite psychedelics and its a true shame more people dont know about the seeds or dont realize the correct way to consume them.

Swim finds 15 woodrose seeds combined with 4 grams of syrian rue to be more powerful than 5 squares of potent blotter or 50 mg of 2ce. an lsahuasca trip for swim rivals some of his most intense mushroom journeys (like the one where he ate an 1/8 of insanely potent thai mushrooms).

One of swims favorite aspects of woodrose is the fact its so incredibly easy to steer to direction of the trip and turn the effects off and on at will. its also very easy to handle in public and interact with other people on. also falling asleep on it is very easy and one will wake up the next day very refreshed. also some strains of seeds can produce really fun colorful animated cartoonish visuals and swim has trouble getting much visuals at all from cid, 2ce or mushrooms anymore.

One last thing swim has found some nifty ways to boost tryptamines/phenethylamines. for one thing if u preload for a week on high doses of melatonin and 5htp then trip on phenethylamines one night youll get much stronger and longer effects. also if u preload for a week or 2 on high doses of piracetam and other smart drugs then take more of them before and during your trip you will get alot more intense effects.

Another good booster to a tryptamine trip is syrian rue or deprenyl. dxm is another pretty strong potentiator to tryptamine trips. an excellent way to mellow out a trip without diminishing the intensity a lot is adding some painkillers/kratom to the mix. E is another great way to boost most types of trips. well sorry to ramble so much guys i hope some of this info helped.

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[kryptik]

there i spaced it out for you guys, who could of done the same thing too...

anywho, swim agrees w/ Wizard. Swim's never heard of all this fancy smancy extraction techniques w/ woodrose seeds. in fact, when swim first got her woodrose seeds, swim didn't have a clue on how to consume them. they didn't feel that hard to swim, so swim was able to chew a couple, but also found it easier to grind them and just eat the powder and chase it w/ water or a drink afterwards. swim did have to peel some of the skin off, but swim didn't ingest enough seeds to experience anything. swims friend did, and like swim agrees with wizard, swim's friend had a long trip on the seeds, almost comparable to Wizards, only w/o adding the other drugs wizard was adding or suggests adding.

swim wants to try these seeds again, but doesn't know which strain will work. swim first got HBWR, but the site swim buys from changed their strain. swim has been on other sites, and no one seems to have the good seeds swim first bought. is one strain greater then the other?

also, swim has heard of syrian rue, but didn't know if it was safe or not to consume... swim has heard alot of poisonous reports on it...

swim is also wondering about Black Henbane. Swim has very tiny seeds of BH, but heard BH is extremely poisonous. what should swim do?

[NewEraResearch]

So i take it most success has been w/ the crushed seeds and pilled out, what would be the pro if swim did an extraction (if any)

[The Wizard]

Generally the best varieties of Hawaiian Baby Woodrose are grown in Hawaiia or Madagascar. Some of the shittiest seeds are grown in India and Ghana. If you need vendors who offer good Woodrose just check out the Vendor's forum on xxxxxxxxxx

The advantage to extracting the LSA's from the seeds is that supposedly it might reduce nausea and also give u a cleaner trip. Yet, most reports I've read online of folks who attempted extractions ended up with weaker trips and for some of them the nausea wasnt even reduced. So I can't really see any logical advantage to doing an extraction.

Did the ancient indian shamans do complex extractions of Morning Glory seeds, Rivea Corymbosa seeds, etc? Hell no, they didn't. They ate the crushed up seeds the hardcore way. They'd either just chew up the seeds finely and swallow them or at the most they might sit their crushed seeds in water for hours to day, then strain out the seed mush and drink the water.

The most important thing to remember about preparing Woodrose seeds is grind them as FINELY as humanly possible. The reason the seeds must be really well ground is that the drugs inside the seeds don't absorb well into your body unless the seeds are crushed well. I recommend you use a coffee or pepper grinder or mortar and pestel.

As far as Syrian Rue, it is a safe plant ally to use IF you keep the dosage low and only if you do. If you go beyond taking 3 or 4 grams of Syrian Rue it does grow toxic. Also since Rue is an MAOI you need to be aware of taking the proper dietary precautions. Consult www.erowid.org's MAOI vault where they explain the dietary precautions to take such as avoiding certain cheeses and alcohols, etc.

Rue is easiest to ingest by grinding the seeds finely in a coffee grinder and packing them in capsules. Be careful not to have much food in your stomach because Rue and Woodrose both are known to make people pretty damn nauseous. Swallow your Rue and hour or two before taking the Woodrose so that it is in full effect when the Woodrose kicks in.

Expect a much more intense and longer journey than a regular Woodrose trip. The Rue/HBW (Hawaiian Baby Woodrose) combo is an AMAZING sensual body buzz and extremely visual. It can make one feel quite heavy and dissociated also so don't try going out anywhere.

Remember to eat very lightly the day of your trip or you might be in for some really intense nausea. I'd say only eat a small, light meal when you first wake up and a small meal 20 mins before swallowing your seeds. When I say light I mean really light foods like pudding, ice cream, yogurt are what are okay to eat.

Good luck broooo.

[bomber]

Originally Posted by The Wizard

Generally the best varieties of Hawaiian Baby Woodrose are grown in Hawaiia or Madagascar. Some of the shittiest seeds are grown in India and Ghana. If you need vendors who offer good Woodrose just check out the Vendor's forum on xxxxxxx

The advantage to extracting the LSA's from the seeds is that supposedly it might reduce nausea and also give u a cleaner trip. Yet, most reports I've read online of folks who attempted extractions ended up with weaker trips and for some of them the nausea wasnt even reduced. So I can't really see any logical advantage to doing an extraction.

Did the ancient indian shamans do complex extractions of Morning Glory seeds, Rivea Corymbosa seeds, etc? Hell no, they didn't. They ate the crushed up seeds the hardcore way. They'd either just chew up the seeds finely and swallow them or at the most they might sit their crushed seeds in water for hours to day, then strain out the seed mush and drink the water.

The most important thing to remember about preparing Woodrose seeds is grind them as FINELY as humanly possible. The reason the seeds must be really well ground is that the drugs inside the seeds don't absorb well into your body unless the seeds are crushed well. I recommend you use a coffee or pepper grinder or mortar and pestel.

As far as Syrian Rue, it is a safe plant ally to use IF you keep the dosage low and only if you do. If you go beyond taking 3 or 4 grams of Syrian Rue it does grow toxic. Also since Rue is an MAOI you need to be aware of taking the proper dietary precautions. Consult www.erowid.org's MAOI vault where they explain the dietary precautions to take such as avoiding certain cheeses and alcohols, etc.

Rue is easiest to ingest by grinding the seeds finely in a coffee grinder and packing them in capsules. Be careful not to have much food in your stomach because Rue and Woodrose both are known to make people pretty damn nauseous. Swallow your Rue and hour or two before taking the Woodrose so that it is in full effect when the Woodrose kicks in.

Expect a much more intense and longer journey than a regular Woodrose trip. The Rue/HBW (Hawaiian Baby Woodrose) combo is an AMAZING sensual body buzz and extremely visual. It can make one feel quite heavy and dissociated also so don't try going out anywhere.

Remember to eat very lightly the day of your trip or you might be in for some really intense nausea. I'd say only eat a small, light meal when you first wake up and a small meal 20 mins before swallowing your seeds. When I say light I mean really light foods like pudding, ice cream, yogurt are what are okay to eat.

Good luck broooo.

i can back u up on the syrian rue + h.b.w combination... its amazing... definately more visual!

but one thing that swim has noticed is that instead of making the nasuea worse for him, it made it almost none existant, and if it did kreep up on him he could control the vomiting alot easier until the nausea passed. swim has a weak stomach and always throws up within half an hour of ingesting h.b.w seeds on there own, even with 2 drammamines ingested prior! but every time hes used syrian rue its been alot milder, also using dramamine of cors!

if anyone has read my post i made a couple of days ago titled ''syrian rue reducing nausea'' theyd see wot i mean.

peace!

[meep]

The real question I feel is how does swim get round the vasoconstriction? Feeling sick is ok, its not being able to walk that does swims head in. Swim loves his HBW but the vaso is a slightly higher body load than swim can cope with.

[The Wizard]

Mild vasoconstriction isn't that hard to solve. Research what types of over the counter health drugs cause vasodilation. One that I've heard people on forums recommend is called L-Arginine. Look for it at your local pharmacy/health store. I'm sure there's lots of other vasodilating health drugs out there too. Also if you lay in a hot bath for awhile that will help vasodilate.

I find that only certain batches of Woodrose seeds even cause vasoconstriction. With the right variety of seeds you can get away with eating 10 or 20 and still not notice vasoconstricting side effects. Whereas I've read of people who bought shitty Woodrose seeds and noticed weird stuff like their skin paling and muscles tightening from only eating a few seeds.

You just need to have the patience to find the best Woodrose seeds using trial and error. Lurk around knowledgeable forums like xxxxxxxxx and see what websites's seeds they recommend. I know of a few really quality Woodrose vendors myself. My friend has gotten away with eating up to 25 seeds at once and still didn't report any side effects, other than some nausea.

[lsadude]

this is for the wizard. when you make the rue do you get alot of nasea or feel like you wont make it bak.i have heard of some realy bad things about rue but i am still very interested but havent done enough research