What is similar to ketamine?

[k-explorer]

SWIM has decided to stop doing ketamine for a while after doing it roughly once a week for the last six months. SWIM figures it's time to give his brain (and his nose) a break from that particular substance.

SWIM likes exploring different states and thinking about weird shit. Ketamine and magic mushrooms have been SWIM's favourites so far.

What else might SWIM like if he likes those two?

[Beltane]

If SWIY likes Ketamine, DXM is somewhat similar and legal-ish in the U.S. SWIM did it twice and decided he liked Ketamine way, way more but could also see how the two could be compared.

If SWIY likes mushrooms, there are many, many more things he can explore. LSD, ayahuasca, mescaline and peyote are the first four that spring to mind. Also, there's all the research chemicals which are also, I think, still legal-ish in the U.S.

- Beltane

[JDreaming]

Yeah DXM could give a ketamine-like experience, though probably less intense and less paralytic. Unfortunately it's impossible to get now in pure form, and in SWIM's opinion tripping on robitussin is not worth trying. Ibogaine is regarded as dissociative by some. PCP is dissociative but too dangerous to be worth trying IMO. Other than K you don't have a lot of choices for dissociation.

If you like visual psychedelic trips on the other hand.... mescaline, LSD, LSA, 2C-B and the other 2Cs, DMT and its variants, DOM, and anything else you can dig up that acts on the 5-HT2A seratonin receptor is what SWIY wants to be investigating. There's plenty of options, though few are as wonderful as psilocybin.

[k-explorer]

Originally Posted by JDreaming

There's plenty of options, though few are as wonderful as psilocybin.

Psilocybin mushrooms were legal here until fairly recently. I'm gutted they changed that law.

Maybe a trip to Amsterdam would be good.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by k-explorer

Psilocybin mushrooms were legal here until fairly recently. I'm gutted they changed that law.

Maybe a trip to Amsterdam would be good.

But how long will it take before mushrooms are made illegal here in the Netherlands as well ..

[k-explorer]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

But long will it take before mushrooms are made illegal here in the Netherlands as well ..

Really?

SWIM better book his flight fast!

Some of the mushrooms SWIM has had were absolutely vile - but so worth it. SWIM thinks mescaline may well be worth exploring too. SWIM is just wary at the moment, having had bad experiences buying fake acid and dodgy ketamine recently.

[Beltane]

There's a 5 star rated thread about extracting DXM from cough syrup here: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14385

- Beltane

Originally Posted by JDreaming

Yeah DXM could give a ketamine-like experience, though probably less intense and less paralytic. Unfortunately it's impossible to get now in pure form, and in SWIM's opinion tripping on robitussin is not worth trying. Ibogaine is regarded as dissociative by some. PCP is dissociative but too dangerous to be worth trying IMO. Other than K you don't have a lot of choices for dissociation.

[JDreaming]

True... SWIM has never extracted DXM from syrup before and it looks like a pain in the ass, but that could definately lead to a safe DXM trip.

[Frond]

Originally Posted by JDreaming

True... SWIM has never extracted DXM from syrup before and it looks like a pain in the ass, but that could definately lead to a safe DXM trip.

Bringing up the dead, but there is no such thing as a safe DXM trip. DXM is not a safe drug. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't use it, that's entirely up to them. But we shouldn't operate under the assumption that extracting pure DXM somehow frees one from all dangers.

If someone is worried about vomit from excessive syrup consumption, then there are alternatives to syrups. I don't think pure-DXM gelcaps are easy to find these days, but at least on this side of the pond, Zicam makes sprays that are much more concentrated and less liquid has to be ingested. They also make cough melts that are absorbed sublingually. Either way, DXM by itself sometimes causes nausea, so don't expect to go into a DXM experience and come out puke-free every time. Same applies for a lot of psychedelics at higher doses, incidentally, even if DXM is nothing like the typical hallucinogens (which are mostly a lot safer, too).

SWIM would suggest starting with psilocybin mushrooms if someone's lab animal wants to explore more traditional psychoactives, or mescaline-containing cacti if said someone wanted to go the legal route. RC's are pretty much done with in terms of easy availability, unless your lab animal has connections SWIM doesn't know about.

[k-explorer]

SWIM is in the UK so will have to look up the status of those things here.

LSD is proving tricky to get hold of (SWIM thinks he keeps getting sold DOB instead!) and nobody SWIM knows can get mescaline, unfortunately.

Research chemicals are something SWIM will look into.

[Beltane]

Check out the DXM forum. I'd be surprised if SWIY couldn't get ahold of some in the UK. It's found in many common varieties of cough syrup.

What's DOB?

There's no shortage of research chemicals to explore from what little SWIM knows. He's only experimented a bit, but there's plenty of info in the Research Chemicals Forum(s.)

- Beltane

[podge]

Mescaline containg cacti are available in swiy's local headshop. Use the forum search for a simple guide to an extraction and swiy is all set. PCP is apparently similar to ket but is generally regarded as much dirtier high.

[k-explorer]

SWIM will look up DXM.

DOB is a psychedelic. SWIM only found out about it today (from reading the forum here). Previously SWIM was confused and thought people were over-rating acid, but now SWIM has found out that DOB is sometimes sold as acid and it's not as good (though has some of the same effects). SWIM has almost certainly been taking DOB not LCD.

Podge: SWIM has seen cacti for sale too. They seem to be expensive for the amount SWIM would want, but maybe it's worth exploring. Also, doesn't eating the cactus make you sick? SWIM is not a fan of vomit!!

[podge]

Depends on the cacti on question......over here peyote cacti are very expensive but san pedro or peruvian torch cacti (which also contain mescaline containing) are quite cheap.....swim doesnt know if headshop price's are allowed on the forum so he will avoid posting but its quite worth the money for a mescaline trip in swims opinion. Also no shady dealers are involved.

Yes drinking the cactus juice is disgusting but it really is worth it. Swim didnt puke but did come quite close. Swim love's mushrooms and has taken quite a few time's also but found his one mescaline experience , which was quite a low dose- round 30 grams of dried peruvian torch, to be one of swims best trips ever.

There are more complex extractions which can be done which leave's very fine mescaline powder which can be put into capsule's and swallowed to avoid all taste problems. Its a lot more effort than merely boiling the cactus but it might be worth looking into.

[podge]

Also dont forget that mushroom grow kits and magic mushroom spore's can be used in conjunction with pleasing results and are still obtainable legally.....but not to be used in your country cause that'd be illegal.....but swiy's country is a different story......

[Psych0naut]

To get back on topic, serotonergic psychedelics(mescaline, LSD, DMT and psilocybe mushrooms) are totally different in effects than those of dissiociatives, so something simmilar to ketamine would be DXM, but not mushrooms or mescaline cactii.

[scotty5591]

swim just got 500 grams of pure dxm, so whoever said it was impossible its not,swim has never tried k so cant compare it with dxm, but all that swim can say is it is very intense at the 3rd plateau for swim, swim cant imagine what the 4th plateau must be like.

[Euthanatos93420]

Originally Posted by scotty5591

swim just got 500 grams of pure dxm, so whoever said it was impossible its not,swim has never tried k so cant compare it with dxm, but all that swim can say is it is very intense at the 3rd plateau for swim, swim cant imagine what the 4th plateau must be like.

That's like, a couple pounds dude. If swiy is serious then he did the extensive work of forging a false company. Kudos.

[CrookedEye]

Originally Posted by euthanatos93420

That's like, a couple pounds dude. If swiy is serious then he did the extensive work of forging a false company. Kudos.

500 grams a pound and some change, not a couple pounds..
1 pound = 453.59237 grams

[Dissociation]

how come there is no forum on PCP?

[Spare Chaynge]

Tiletamine... plain and simple an analog of ketamine.. easier to get if one has a vet source compared to ketamine.

One word of advice never leave a vial of the stuff at a friends house.. swiy will never hear from them again.. and will be out a vial of tealazol.


Tiletamine is regarded as a slightly dirtier version of ketamine but on the whole is way better then dxm.

It tends also to leads to long periods of lost time other wise known as a blackout... if to much is used Swim will wake up to find that 25 hours have passed and his friend is completely pissed off with him because he was trying to score with a girl and swim kept on pretending he was a bird and trying to fly off the couch.

[PowerTrips]

Nothin will ever compare to an out of body experience on K!! Ketamine is the greatest substance on earth! Spoken like a true K head. But DXM is fuckin awesome n prob the closet thing to K(which isn't close at all in my opinion). SWIM prob has drinkin bout 75 bottles of Robo in his existence. DXM in doses of 140-180mg makes SWIM's bipolar brain hit mania. SWIM feels that DXM is more like MDMA cuz he falls in love/forgives everyone for everything! But even 3rd plateau doses, which send one into their own world weren't really like K in my opinion. As for PCP, SWIM dunno has never n will never try it.

[EyesOfTheWorld]

Monkey would suggest combining either a traditional hallucinogen like mushrooms or LSD or an empathogen like MDMA, MDE or MDA with nitrous, especially in tank form if obtainable, much more cost efficient than buying cartridges

[duG22]

swim says to try poppy seeds (lsa) go mild at first try 200 seeds, swiy will have a mild trip visual wise but a great body feeling, with a couple hits of MJ youll be flying

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Please do some further research, poppy seeds do NOT contain LSA. Such advise is postentially dangerous, and you seem to ...

[honourableone]

Poppy seeds don't contain LSA, but they may have a coating of opium. You seem to mean Morning Glory seeds, which do contain LSA. For information on LSA containing seeds, we have a whole sub forum dedicated to them here.