Experiences - LSD isn't as good as expected

[k-explorer]

SWIM used to eat magic mushrooms regularly when they were legal in the UK, especially some of the really strong types. Combined with what SWIM was learning at the time about different types of meditation, hypnosis and energy, SWIM had some really amazing, powerful, life-changing experiences.

When the mushrooms became illegal (and harder to get hold of), SWIM moved onto acid. Although that's also illegal, SWIM found it easier to get. SWIM is a big fan of Tim Leary's work and thought trying acid would be even more mind-blowing than the mushrooms, so SWIM was excited about this new step.

The first trip was okay. It wasn't as strong as the mushroom trips and it felt more chemically, but it had similar effects to the mushrooms and SWIM enjoyed it and learnt some cool stuff.

Each trip since then has been increasingly disappointing. SWIM has persisted a few times (with acid from two different sources) but he just isn't getting the amazing, spiritual experiences that other people describe. It's become really disappointing.

Here are some of the details of SWIM's last trip. On the plus side, SWIM had some really great feelings in his body for the first 2-3 hours and tapping any part of his leg (for example) created waves of pleasure that were hugely intense. Also, music sounded amazing for the first 2-3 hours - really amazing. However, on the downside, the trip lasted for about 30 hours in total and felt boring after the first 4 hours. SWIM couldn't get to sleep and was just bored listening to music or watching tv. SWIM's jaw was tight and he shivered a lot (though he wasn't cold) and felt a bit nausious. More though, it just wasn't magical like the mushrooms were. There were no visuals, no big ideas and no spiritual dimension. It was pretty boring.

One thing that might explain this is that SWIM took two blotting papers the first time and has taken 5 each time since. Maybe 5 is too much? SWIM assumed that taking more would get more of the good stuff, but maybe less is more with acid?

Or maybe SWIM is getting used to tripping and needs more than 5 now?

Alternative idea: maybe SWIM is not getting real LSD? Could something else be posing as acid and causing the trip I described rather than a real acid trip?

What do you think? Any suggestions?

[k-explorer]

Having read more here, I'm thinking it almost certainly wasn't LSD that I got.

[podge]

Maybe its not the LSD that is the problem but the set and setting where swiy take's the drug. Swim thinks tripping outdoors is much better than sitting in a house listening to music all the time and staring at the walls , nature is lot more interesting while tripping.

[k-explorer]

SWIM was outside for the first few hours and only came home when the effects were becoming lame. Outside in the woods is usually best for SWIM.

[eltimmy]

Yea ... music euphoria and 30+ hour trips, if this was consistent, indicate probably something other than LSD. Bitter blotters?

[k-explorer]

Yeah, very bitter blotters.

[Micklemouse]

Some labrats notice the "taste" of acid more than others - related to histamine response if I remember correctly. This is usually more to do with the chemical reactions post ingetion than the actual substance on the blotter though, & seems to be a very individual occurrence - the "Does Acid Taste?" debate has been raging for years now! Have other subjects commented on the taste & had similar length experiences?

The length of trip & noticeably bitter taste would tend towards a DOx chemical - DOI was floating around a couple of months ago in the South (see New drug alert as three taken ill (DOI)) How big was the blotter? LSD blotters have traditionally been small - often not much more than ~ ½cm sqaure, & relatively thin. Due to the miniscule levels that LSD is active at it doesn't need to be any bigger than this. DOx compounds are active at milligram levels, as opposed to micrograms for LSD, so would require a much larger blotter.

Whatever, a stern word should be had with whoever is supplying this, especially if others are reporting similar experiences from the same batch. If it is a DOx then someone in the supply chain is playing a very sketchy & dangerous game by selling a potentially harmful compound as one that is generally physically benign.

[k-explorer]

SWIM's friend gave SWIM two types of blotter -- three large ones (that tasted bitter) and two smaller ones (that didn't). My guess is SWIM got some real LSD and some other stuff.

SWIM maybe needs lots of the real stuff next time.

[Entheos]

Originally Posted by k-explorer

SWIM's friend gave SWIM two types of blotter -- three large ones (that tasted bitter) and two smaller ones (that didn't). My guess is SWIM got some real LSD and some other stuff.

SWIM maybe needs lots of the real stuff next time.

...and be careful not to rush into a huge dose of acid. If SWIY is yet to have a strong expierience, taking a large dose of quality acid could very possibly lead to a bad trip. This could definately leave a bad impression on SWIY.

[♣ Tekken ♥]

http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/album40 <<dodgy blotters, was it any of them?

[k-explorer]

No, the blotters were plain white.

[LAD_Floyd]

Swim got a similar dose, for his first trip. It was about 1cm x 1cm and pure white. It left a very bitter taste in his mouth, and took almost 90 minutes to onset, and come up.

The trip proceeded to last for almost 20 hours. Swim also uncontrolably had eye twitches, and finger jitters. Swim did not have the jaw clenching problem.

Swim has found that there is a very limited source of LSD, or even DOx posing as LSD in the show-me state as of late. Strangely enough, just a few years ago, in SWIM's immediate area, was one heck of a plant. =( Dunno, it is difficult for SWIM lately, too.

Swim would be sure to have a very stern word with the dealer, if swim were swik-explorer

[Entheos]

Yeah it definately sounds like SWIY got ahold of a DOx compound. DOx compounds can be fun if they are expected nut when SWIY is prepared for a 12 hour LSD trip, the 20 hours can be overwhelming... sometimes tedious.

Out of curiosity... is SWIY taking any SSRI's? SWIM also felt very let down about the effects of acid years ago while on fluoxetine because it drastically reduced the effectiveness of the acid.

If this isn't the case... just try different LSD. Perhaps you just got some weak blotters. If possible, try to find a different source. Higher dose expieriences of acid can be completely different from those of lower doses.

SWIM hopes your future expieriences will change for the better. Nothing is more of a let down than being promised some quality L, only later finding out the blotters were extremely weak.

Also... be cautious of the DOx compounds. They can be very dangerous at high doses... Try to be aware of signs that may indicate DOx compounds...

[iw2gf]

Originally Posted by k-explorer

SWIM used to eat magic mushrooms regularly when they were legal in the UK, especially some of the really strong types. Combined with what SWIM was learning at the time about different types of meditation, hypnosis and energy, SWIM had some really amazing, powerful, life-changing experiences.

When the mushrooms became illegal (and harder to get hold of), SWIM moved onto acid. Although that's also illegal, SWIM found it easier to get. SWIM is a big fan of Tim Leary's work and thought trying acid would be even more mind-blowing than the mushrooms, so SWIM was excited about this new step.

The first trip was okay. It wasn't as strong as the mushroom trips and it felt more chemically, but it had similar effects to the mushrooms and SWIM enjoyed it and learnt some cool stuff.

Each trip since then has been increasingly disappointing. SWIM has persisted a few times (with acid from two different sources) but he just isn't getting the amazing, spiritual experiences that other people describe. It's become really disappointing.

Here are some of the details of SWIM's last trip. On the plus side, SWIM had some really great feelings in his body for the first 2-3 hours and tapping any part of his leg (for example) created waves of pleasure that were hugely intense. Also, music sounded amazing for the first 2-3 hours - really amazing. However, on the downside, the trip lasted for about 30 hours in total and felt boring after the first 4 hours. SWIM couldn't get to sleep and was just bored listening to music or watching tv. SWIM's jaw was tight and he shivered a lot (though he wasn't cold) and felt a bit nausious. More though, it just wasn't magical like the mushrooms were. There were no visuals, no big ideas and no spiritual dimension. It was pretty boring.

One thing that might explain this is that SWIM took two blotting papers the first time and has taken 5 each time since. Maybe 5 is too much? SWIM assumed that taking more would get more of the good stuff, but maybe less is more with acid?

Or maybe SWIM is getting used to tripping and needs more than 5 now?

Alternative idea: maybe SWIM is not getting real LSD? Could something else be posing as acid and causing the trip I described rather than a real acid trip?

What do you think? Any suggestions?

What you are saying sounds true. The trip can be very long, and the clenching of the jaw and shaking are common as well, according to swim.