Why does this happen: Too Much MDMA?

[thePhantom]

SWIM has tried E a few times now, I think he said it was 5-6 times. He started with a few pills per session, and the last 2 times has taken MDMA (nearly 1/2gram each time) ...

When SWIM is on E/MDMA:

He feels very intense, in a massively good way. He feels really happy and loved up, BUT he feels so intense, he doesnt want to dance, just sit down and touch/hold his friends, but they are too busy raving and smiling ...

Why does everyone except SWIM dance all night, and smile, while he sits down and looks moody (although inside he feels great). When SWIM tries to dance, he feels ill, and wants to sit back down again ...

SWIM's freinds thought that he was like this because It was his first time or two, but after 5/6 times, he hasnt changed ... Does anyone else have this experience? It's really bugging SWIM, he wants to have a normal E experience ...

What are the possible reasons behind it all ?

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[04llllaaaa]

Maybe this is just how SWIY reacts to the drug. Are these friends close or acquaintances?

And if SWIY is happy inside, then I would image this would be a good experience.

[thePhantom]

Originally Posted by 04llllaaaa

Maybe this is just how SWIY reacts to the drug. Are these friends close or acquaintances?

And if SWIY is happy inside, then I would image this would be a good experience.

One is a very close friend (Xman) of SWIMs - who introduced him to the drug, the rest are friends of Xman's ...

Will SWIM always react to the drug in this way?

SWIM does feel good - but a bit worried that he is the only person he has heard of who reacts in this way ...

[04llllaaaa]

Maybe if SWIY doesnt think about reacting the same way as everyone else, then SWIY might enjoy it completely without having to do the raving/dancing.

Clear the mind next time.

[Nagognog2]

Or try taking a smaller dose. 1/2gm is a lot of MDMA. This would easily be toxic to most people.

[thePhantom]

the first time or two, SWIM was probably thinking about it too much, but the times after that he was letting go ...

I guess he can try a smaller does next time, but all his friends have been doing the same doseages as he has ...

he has tried,

3, 2.5, 2, then close to 1/2 gram of mdma on his trips ...

3 is a lot on his first time he knows!!!

Maybe next time he'll try just 1 or 1.5, and maybe the intensity will be less, and he can dance about and smile!?

[Micklemouse]

As Nag said, ½ a gram of pure mdma is a lot - few people would be able to do much other than sit in a chair grinning inanely after that amount.

Start small - SWiY can always redose later.

[Nature Boy]

SWIM doesn't dance when he rolls either. I guess he doesn't dance much anyway but he does pretty much the same as SWIY does, just sits there taking it all in. But that's because SWIM isn't compelled to dance, SWIY sounds like he is but can't. Follow the advice, lower the dose.

[thePhantom]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

SWIM doesn't dance when he rolls either. I guess he doesn't dance much anyway but he does pretty much the same as SWIY does, just sits there taking it all in. But that's because SWIM isn't compelled to dance, SWIY sounds like he is but can't. Follow the advice, lower the dose.

Yeh - SWIM does like to dance normally when he goes out on drink ...

He's thinking of rolling in a week and half, he's definetly going to try and lower the dose ...

He's usually worried that only taking one or one and half will lead to nothing happening at all ...

What usually happens is that SWIM take's the first one and nothing happens for a while, so he drops more ... He can't seem to get the balance right

[Peace Frog]

SWIM has only danced a few times on E, and that includes his first time... Since then, he has gone through phases of just sitting with his eyes closed and going through a feeling of nirvana, and also of being engaged in conversations that went so quickly if SWIM had been high on weed or sober he would of gotten confused... but everything made complete sense to him. SWIM has also had an experience of singing while on E... it was a shame that no recording device was present, because everyone around him was listening to his lyrics (which were coming right out of the top of his head.) With SWIM's friend playing guitar, SWIM created a beautiful song, but can't even remember it!

This is normal, SWIY sounds like what SWIM would characterize as an "affectionate roller".


By the way, when SWIM was dancing on his first roll, it was to Shine On You Crazy Diamonds, by Pink Floyd.

[advanc3d]

at raves
swim's first few rolls on E, he was able to dance and etc
now after pilling every weekend, he now gets intensely chattering jaw, euhporia and typical hard smackout. swim doesnt charge of pills anymore.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by thePhantom

He feels very intense, in a massively good way. He feels really happy and loved up, BUT he feels so intense, he doesnt want to dance, just sit down and touch/hold his friends, but they are too busy raving and smiling ...

Why does everyone except SWIM dance all night, and smile....

If SWIPH feels good why worry, but that is too many pills. High doses tend to make you tend to just sit and think!

When MDMA was first rediscovered, noboby danced on it, they reflected instead. SWIM has never wanted to dance on MDMA and probably never will. It would seem like a waste.

[Peppy]

MDMA is not really a 'get up and dance' kinda drug, if SWIM takes pure MDMA SWIM justs want to sit, SWIMS legs and eyes feel heavy. Pills traditionally are pressed with a bit of amphetamine giving you the kick up the arse to dance. Mixing MDMA with speed gives SWIM a 'pill' type of trip.

Plus 1/2 a gram is way too much. Split a gram and you have say 10 trips if you want an average dose. You are popping the equivalent of 5 pills. Try a smaller dose and dose from there you will probably feel more alive.

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[Conkermon]

SWIM is sick of shitty pills, but SWIM also dislikes pure MDMA as it is too relaxing and he wants to rush and dance. He has come to the conclusion that the way to go is to buy MDMA + Speed as someone suggested. Would it bring on the desired effects if he mixed MDMA + Speed in a capsule? SWIM is aware of the "risks" of taking different drugs together but deems it a risk worth taking.

[Peppy]

Originally Posted by Conkermon

SWIM is sick of shitty pills, but SWIM also dislikes pure MDMA as it is too relaxing and he wants to rush and dance. He has come to the conclusion that the way to go is to buy MDMA + Speed as someone suggested. Would it bring on the desired effects if he mixed MDMA + Speed in a capsule? SWIM is aware of the "risks" of taking different drugs together but deems it a risk worth taking.

MDMA and speed are indeed a good combo. Split gram of MDMA into 10, split gram of speed into 10, mix the 10th of each into a gel cap. This seems to be a very good combo and SWIM has used this method alot, does not get 'monged' - just a nice trip (until redosed then quite done for, but still standing)

[robert whitfield]

SWIM thinks that the 1/2g dosage is very high and has used Mdma for a long time, Sometimes when SWIM has some dirty E he just wants to sit down and ponder, But with clean E he will happily dance for hours.

Judging by the dosage taken SWIY's Stuff might be dirty, and one of the impuritys may give SWIY the affects he gets.

Robert

[Peppy]

Originally Posted by robert whitfield

SWIM thinks that the 1/2g dosage is very high and has used Mdma for a long time, Sometimes when SWIM has some dirty E he just wants to sit down and ponder, But with clean E he will happily dance for hours.

Judging by the dosage taken SWIY's Stuff might be dirty, and one of the impuritys may give SWIY the affects he gets.

Robert

Are SWIY talking about pills or MDMA powder? Confused by the mention of E and MDMA in the same sentence. Pills will probably give SWIY the dancey effect, this is why pills are pressed with amphetamine. People then try MDMA after pills and are not so keen on it as it is not that kind of 'dancey' drug. Read Shulgins PHIKAL trip reports, SWIY will see that this is more of a emotional drug, you will want to sit and talk, it will not give an amphetamine rush.

Anyway 1/2 a gram will most definately send anyone into la la land.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Peppy

Are SWIY talking about pills or MDMA powder? Confused by the mention of E and MDMA in the same sentence. Pills will probably give SWIY the dancey effect, this is why pills are pressed with amphetamine.

What is your source of information in saying that 'pills' are 'pressed with amphetamine'? Some have been, but many are not. MDMA powder can just as easily be mixed with amphetamine as pills can.

[Peppy]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

What is your source of information in saying that 'pills' are 'pressed with amphetamine'? Some have been, but many are not. MDMA powder can just as easily be mixed with amphetamine as pills can.

SWIM was trying to establish from the poster if they meant pills or mdma powder.

It goes without saying that pills are more likely to be pressed with amphetamine or some other filler as its easier to disguise. The proof is in the eating SWIM thinks, an experienced tripper can often tell whats in the substance they ingest. Amphetamine is very easy to notice mixed in with mdma crystals, it has a distinctive smell and texture, SWIM has never seen this with MDMA crystals (although SWIY is very right in saying that yes it could be cut).

[robert whitfield]

Originally Posted by Peppy

Are SWIY talking about pills or MDMA powder? Confused by the mention of E and MDMA in the same sentence. Pills will probably give SWIY the dancey effect, this is why pills are pressed with amphetamine. People then try MDMA after pills and are not so keen on it as it is not that kind of 'dancey' drug. Read Shulgins PHIKAL trip reports, SWIY will see that this is more of a emotional drug, you will want to sit and talk, it will not give an amphetamine rush.

Anyway 1/2 a gram will most definately send anyone into la la land.

Sorry to confuse you, SWIM has always refered to MDMA as E Phet, or simply E whereas pills are just pills it's pointless calling them anything else as there is no way (short of proffesional lab testing) to be sure whats in them.

Calling a pill E, ecstacy or Adam is false advertising if you ask SWIM .

SWIM always likes a dance when on MDMA might be that it affects others in diffrent ways or might be that SWIM has never had clean MDMA ?

SWIM will try the MDMA cleaning technique and see what happens then.

Robert

[dirk]

I'd recomend not worrying about it, but rather try to optimise the set and setting to one that suits your own response.

i.e. a nice chilled out evening with some people who you are emotionaly close to, just hanging out, chatting, philosophising, massaging - whatever feels good or works for you. As you can see from the other posts the MDMA=DANCE equation might be a false one for many people.

[robert whitfield]

Dirk you have made some good points there SWIM has always taken MDMA in a club/freeparty setting, SWIM dose remeber one thime on the way to a free party in the country side his (sober) freind was driving pretty fast driving through miles of dark lanes to get there, SWIM only saw one other thing on the road an ambulance when that ambulance came past blue lighting it SWIM felt profound sense of connection with the world, when SWIM got to the party he chilled by a big fire and chatted to some old hippys but as soon as he heard those tunes kicking in his feet just led the way.

That was the only time SWIM chilled out on MDMA (apart from on a comedown) I think it may be a physcological thing for SWIM ? The first time he took MDMA he danced and since it just makes him want to move every time, funnily enough he won't dance any other time maby it is the MDMA that makes him lose his fear of what others may think.

DIRK WYT TY SIARAD CYMRAG ?

Robert

[Lettish]

Swim believes Swiy is taking too much. Half-a-dozen pills then 500mg MDMA on top? Sheesh... The reason Swiy is feeling like Swiy just wants to sit down is because that's all Swiy body wants to do. Swiy is right in saying it is just too intense. The feeling is overwhelming yes? Swim gets this when he binges.

Have a 3-month break from pills and MDMA, and next time, cut Swiy dose down to a couple pills and maybe 1/10 of a gram for later. And spread it all out over the night.

200mg of MDMA is ideal for a 3 to 4 hour session. But anymore just gets Swim more and more fucked and completely battered (excuse the language).

[Methadrone]

Swim used to have this problem, although it was in the early 90's and swim would only take 1 pill, people called it 'sledging' back then and said the pills must be 'smacky' which we all know is a myth, its just they were bloody strong and swim thinks swiy is having the same problem as he's taking too much. Swim got round this problem by only taking half when swim knew they were a strong batch.

Swim suggest swiy try taking a little less then you my find you want to dance more.

Enjoy

[aerozeppelin123]

Agree with most people here, I think that 500mg is way too much, the likely reason for you just wanting to sit down is because your body is under such strain that it can't get up and dance very easily. SWIM has had both kinds of experiences with MDMA before - the type where you just want to chill out and have deep conversations, and the type where it feels like you just wanna keep dancing forever.

Although SWIM would say that what he has found is that pure MDMA doesn't give a huge amount of raw energy (although it does give a bit), it's more that music and dancing become so intensely enjoyable that it compels you to move and flow with the beat. The times when SWIM has wanted to dance has been when there's some good thumping tunes (mostly house/electro/dnb kinda stuff) and you get that amazing feeling that there's no boundary between you and the music, that your mind, body and the music are just 'flowing' together (hard to describe but I guess you know what I mean).

So SWIM would say take a lower dose (maybe like 1/6th of a gram, you can always take a bit more) and listen to music that you REALLY enjoy. It still might be the same though, although that's no big deal - there's a lot more to having a good time than just dancing.