Experiences - Spice (smoking blend) Experiences

[machine_elf]

Swim is a seasoned psychonaut and is no stranger to marijuana. He had heared a lot of fuss about this "spice" and so he decided to purchase some spice gold(extra strong) prerolled joints.

He had gone to a field to listen to the grateful dead smoke and relax as it was nice day. He smoked the first joint and noticed nothing. He began to light up a second when it hit him. SWIM experienced a very strange delerium, he felt very confused and trapped, his mouth was dry as a desert. Events kept repeating themselves and he was stuck in a continuous time loop of "there's a tree, I'm on a field, I'm a human." The music grew steadily more intense and felt like a soundtrack to the whole episode. SWIM broke out of the time cycle and walked home, which he said felt like someone was burning the muscles located at the front of his shins from the inside out. He got home and went straight to bed but kept lapsing in and out of sleep due to the drymouth. Everytime he turned his head he felt as if the world was being turned upside down.

SWIM recovered the next day. He acknowledges his foolishness but feels this was a very strange reaction to the drug.

SWIM was wondering of anyone elses experiences with spice and if anyone has had a similar experience?

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[Alfa]

Smoking 2 spice gold joints in one go is pretty bold.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Smoking 2 spice gold joints in one go is pretty bold.

??????

Swim enjoyed the high, but found himself smoking joint after joint after joint to have an enjoyable time. The high comes on slower and needs to creep up on you, so that may have been part of it. Also swim spliffed with tobacco so maybe that made somewhat of a difference.....

Isn't there at least one or two big threads on this already though? I think we have a Spice Experiences thread.

[Alfa]

Smoking 2 spice gold joints after another is not the best of idea's for SWIM. But SWIM is not a daily grass smoker. And SWIM smokes Spice gold pure. It burns fast. SWIM finishes the joints quite fast. So it can hit him hard and smoking two straight in a row is just as unpleasant as smoking two white widows in a row. 15-30 minutes between them is just fine for SWIM. If SWIM smokes two in a row, he feels the need for sugar and becomes silent and lethargic. Almost pulls a whitey.

There's only the general discussion of spice: Spice Smoking Blend
I think separating the general discussion and the experiences may be a good idea.

[Bajeda]

Ah, didn't make that distinction between threads before.

Swim isn't a daily grass smoker anymore and he found spice to be nice when built up over a number of joints, though he would take it slowly and generally not alone, so it wouldn't be like a smack in the face.

Did swiy ever smoke spice gold in a bong? Swim mixed some with salvia one time and smoked it out of a bong, producing very visual experiences though not really disassociative level ones. He hasn't got the chance to smoke it in that way otherwise, and would like to see the difference as he feels he could get it to hit him harder than it does through joints.

[wOrship]

Swim thinks Spice definitley has the potential to hit some people differently, either he had an unusual reaction to it too, or he is just a serious spice lightweight.

The other possibility is that he inadvertantly seriously potentiated the spice with kava..

Swim uses kava on a daily basis, so he mixed three spoons up and drank it over an hour or so, the usual nightly 'ritual' for me.

About two hours later swim decides that instead of an MJ spliff he would try the Spice Gold that arrived a few days previously. Swim had read bits and peices here and on other forums advising dosages, he also thought that with the estimated size of the pre-rolled (assumed pure spice gold) joints on the website he would be safe, way undercutting a 'normal dose' with a first spliff just being a one-skinner with 50:50 tobacco/spice, he thought he would just top-up if needed.

Swim made a mistake!

The effects took about twenty minutes to fully take hold, after which swim was actually full-on wasted and just 'knew' this was going to turn on him soon.

Swim felt like he had done way too much, too quickly of a really strong, heady sativa. Swim read the posts about spice being very close to an MJ high, but swim really wasn't prepared for this.

Swim not only got a sativa-like high, he also got a sativa-like whitey to boot - BARGAIN!

Swim started talking bollocks
Swim started feeling cold
Swim started shaking
Swim started getting anxious and paranoid - even through the kava, this never happened to swim with kava/MJ combinations.

Swim went into the bathroom to check for redeye - swim had it, along with a mouth as dry as a lebanese gentleman unicyclists jockstrap.

Swim was a total mess, the only difference between this and an MJ whitey is that he wasn't actually white, the feeling was identical though.

Swim wasn't having fun so he thought he would go to bed and try to sleep it off, at first he couldn't sleep, shivering and worried about shallow laboured breathing but then he passed out.

Now is next morning, a full twelve hours after smoking the spice, a nights sleep and swim still isn't at baseline, he would say the effects are at about a quarter of last nights intensity, maybe less, swim can certainly still feel it though.

I suppose swim just wanted to pass this on in case anyone is trying it for the first time, swim just wasn't ready for a buzz of this intensity. He has no idea if he is just an extreme lightweight with this stuff or if the kava was responsible for a pretty extreme potentiation of the spice.

Swim would probably have enjoyed the effects of maybe a quarter of the amount of spice he actually had, as it was it was way too overpowering for swim, swim is no conspiracy theorist, but he is left wondering if there actually is something in spice after all, that is not on the ingredients list?

Swims verdict - definitely works.

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[Alfa]

Did SWIY have kava-kava root or a extract or concentrate? SWIM has had extemely powerful experiences with pure kavalactones. The UK producers explained to SWIM that Spice holds concentrates of certain alkaloids in there.

SWIM had a simular experience but not as overpowering. He was able to solve it by consuming sugar.

[wOrship]

Swim consumed three tablespoons of Vanuatu Waka grade blended for two minutes and steeped for four hours in one pint of warm 50:50 full fat milk and water. This is swims usual kava dose, taken over an hour or so.

Swim usually has sugar in the house for times like these, he drank a litre bottle of Lucozade last night and it had no effect on the whitey at all. he is going to try the spice again, about a quarter of last nights amount - this time without the kava.
He will wait a while though, it is now almost 17 hours since he smoked the spice and he is still not quite at baseline - he'll give it a rest for a week or so first!

[0utrider]

SWIM cant really believe it, since he thinks that all "cannabis alternatives" are bulls..

could someone name the ingredients of the spice?

[wOrship]

Originally Posted by outriderx

SWIM cant really believe it, since he thinks that all "cannabis alternatives" are bulls..

Swim can assure you that he didn't make this up mate, believe me this stuff hit him like a ton of bricks. As he said, he doesn't know if it is just an unusual reaction or if the kava was responsible for it, but it was exactly as he relayed it above.

Not just swim either, read the first post in this thread for further confirmation that this stuff can certainly hit some people very hard indeed.

[bishopdante]

Originally Posted by 0utrider

SWIM cant really believe it, since he thinks that all "cannabis alternatives" are bulls..

could someone name the ingredients of the spice?

Indeed we can.

It contains, amongst other things, lab tests concluded that spice containted the synthetic cannabinioid analogues called:

JWH-018
CP_47,497

which can be read about on wikipedia. This site is paranoid, won't let me post links.

Haven't tried the stuff, nor has my friend of a friend, but I have to say, it sounds interesting in a pandora's box type fashion. For example janssen's fentanyl compounds can be up to 1000 times as potent as morphine, presumably same deal for synthetic cannabinoids.

It would seem this stuff will get a person high fo sho. It's not snake oil, nor is it herbal. This stuff is pharmaceutical, marketed as hippie fodder.

Spice was claimed by the manufacturers to contain a mixture of traditionally used medicinal herbs, each of which supposedly produces mild effects with the overall blend resulting in the cannabis-like intoxication produced by the product. Herbs listed on the packaging include Canavalia maritima, Nymphaea caerulea, Scutellaria nana, Pedicularis densiflora, Leonotis leonurus, Zornia latifolia, Nelumbo nucifera and Leonurus sibiricus. However when the product was analysed by laboratories in Germany and elsewhere, it was found that many of the characteristic "fingerprint" molecules expected to be present from the claimed plant ingredients could not be located, and also there were large amounts of synthetic tocopherol present. This suggested that the actual ingredients might not be the same as what was listed on the packet, and a German government risk assessment of the product conducted in November 2008 concluded that it was unclear what the actual plant ingredients were, where the synthetic tocopherol had come from, and whether the subjective cannabis-like effects were actually produced by any of the claimed plant ingredients or instead might possibly be caused by a synthetic cannabinoid drug.

On December 15 2008, it was announced by German pharmaceutical company THCPharm, that JWH-018 had been found as one of the active components in at least three versions of the supposedly "herbal" smoking blend, cannabis substitute drug Spice, which had been sold in a number of countries around the world since 2002 as an "incense" or legal substitute for marijuana.
On January 19 2009, it was announced by the University of Freiburg in Germany that the other main active substance in Spice is an undisclosed analogue of the synthetic cannabinoid CP 47,497. On the 22nd January 2009, CP 47,497 along with its dimethylhexyl, dimethyloctyl and dimethylnonyl homologues, were added to the German controlled drug schedules ("Betäubungsmittelgesetz"). Different ratios of JWH-018 and CP 47,497 and their analogues had apparently been used in the various different varieties of Spice.

Another potent synthetic cannabinoid, HU-210, has been reported to have been found in Spice seized by the US Customs & Border Protection.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by bishopdante

which can be read about on wikipedia. This site is paranoid, won't let me post links.

That has somewhat to do with new members telling members to look on wikipedia, in cases where better information is right here under their nose.

[Bajeda]

Please look at the general discussion thread for spice, Spice Smoking Blend. This thread is for discussing specific experiences with Spice smoking blend. Plus the ingredients (listed on the package) are already listed in that thread, as well as a fairly thorough discussion of efficacy.

[SilentJimbo]

I tried a pre-rolled spice joint the other day (since this stuff's legal I see no reason to use SWIM). I hated it. For about an hour I felt very uncomfortable both physically and mentally. Started having mild hallucinations as well, which I didn't enjoy. I then threw up, and continued to feel not not too great for another couple of hours.
I don't actually like proper weed (it just makes me really confused), so I don't really know what made me think I might enjoy a 'cannabis alternative'.

[Lunar Loops]

Originally Posted by SilentJimbo

I tried a pre-rolled spice joint the other day (since this stuff's legal I see no reason to use SWIM).

Well, the yak can see your logic, but legality is an ever changing line and this forum is global rather than local. Whilst Spice may be legal in the UK at the moment, the yak is unsure of its legality around the world. He does know that the producers will not ship to certain countries.

[Alfa]

AFAIK Spice is legal worldwide, so I do not see a problem with incrimination.

[Thirdedge]

It could fall under the federal analogue law in Australia. Supposedly anything sharing a similar action to a prohibited drug is an analogue of that drug.
But they don,t state how similar it needs to be. Caffiene is obviously not similar enough to speed, but I guess it could all come down to who's laywer had the sharpest pencil.
But Spice is intended for use as an incense anyway isn,t it?

[Tzetze]

SWIT can also verify the strong effects of spice. He's been smoking it pretty regularly for the last 8-10 months, save for the odd small purchase of quality bud.

In his experience though, he's noticed that the smell and taste of spice aren't for everyone. He wouldn't describe it as the most palatable taste, but can tolerate it. Others he knows who have tried it find it so distasteful that they'd rather continue to smoke soapbar or (way) overpriced slate hash sold off as polm!


SWIT would also like to ask others if they have experienced spice in connection with drug testing. Alfa, you mentioned a presence of certain alkaloids earlier. Could you be a little more specific?

SWIT is looking at a drawn out recruitment process that will involve a hair test in roughly 6 months time, and is trying to find information regarding the presence of anything in spice which may be related to anything listed in the UK misuse of drugs act, 1971. If anyone has any info regarding this, SWIT would be most grateful. He even mentioned cookies.

[Sky Walker]

I've just recently had the pleasure of sampling some Spice (Gold, extra strong) and it totally exceeded my expectations. This stuff is simply amazing, I could hardly believe how high it was getting me. For strong effects, I recommend that Spice should be smoked in a bong.

To fully come up took at least 20 mins and the full effects lasted well over 4 hours, with residual effects (including sleeping time) lasting 12-16 hours. The overall effects were very cannabis like, affecting the mind and the body. Mild sedation was noted but also with a sativaish buzz, there was enhanced music appreciation with grovey psychedelic thought trains, accompanied by mild euphoria and eventually the munchies, the super munchies. It has also presented pain and nausea relieving property's for a friend of mine, I have yet to correct any ailments with spice but for now, his testament can be trusted. The smoke is a wee bit harsh (but this fades if you inhale deeply and hold it in long enough, 10-15 seconds and there is almost nothing to exhale) and leaves a slightly unpleasant taste that sticks to your tongue, easily washed away with a tasty beverage. Spice really does hit hard and has a wicked hangover, not in a bad way, more a bang for buck manner, like your still high when you wake up, score! Not so cool if you got work early the next morning though but very sweet if you got a wake an bake planned.

IBSO, Spice is actually better than some bags of marijuana he has smoked plus it's much better value for money, spice rocks the shit, we highly advise that you at least sample it, then you'll see.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Unfortunately swim can't try Spice,perhaps swim will come across something with the same or similar ingredients to Spice that can be sold to the United States.

[geophagus]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

Unfortunately swim can't try Spice,perhaps swim will come across something with the same or similar ingredients to Spice that can be sold to the United States.

SWIM can relate, however SWIM did actually find a vendor online who is offering Spice for sale in the US. The only problem is that the cost of the Spice being offered is so much higher than the cost of decent quality herb for SWIM.

SWIM has read of a Spice alternative called Chill smoking blend that is sold here in the states at a much more affordable price than Spice, but SWIM has not heard anyone mention anything yet about how well the Chill smoking blend compares to the Spice smoking blend.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by geophagus

SWIM can relate, however SWIM did actually find a vendor online who is offering Spice for sale in the US. The only problem is that the cost of the Spice being offered is so much higher than the cost of decent quality herb for SWIM.

I thought that too, but 3.5 grams of spice lasts longer than you would think. It has no stems or seeds, and is comparable to if you just took the parts of a bud of weed that you would smoke and ground them up and put 3.5 grams of that into a bag. There wasn't really an issue of value for money after my rabbit tried spice and realized he could get a decent bit of mileage out of it compared to bud.

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[geophagus]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

I thought that too, but 3.5 grams of spice lasts longer than you would think. It has no stems or seeds, and is comparable to if you just took the parts of a bud of weed that you would smoke and ground them up and put 3.5 grams of that into a bag. There wasn't really an issue of value for money after my rabbit tried spice and realized he could get a decent bit of mileage out of it compared to bud.

SWIM appreciates your input on this.

SWIM will have to try it out.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by Thirdedge

But Spice is intended for use as an incense anyway isn,t it?

Yes, the spice information site shows the intended use.

Originally Posted by geophagus

SWIM has read of a Spice alternative called Chill smoking blend that is sold here in the states at a much more affordable price than Spice, but SWIM has not heard anyone mention anything yet about how well the Chill smoking blend compares to the Spice smoking blend.

See the smoking blend comparison for that. Short story: Chill isn't worth the try.

[Mr. Giraffe]

My cat has a good deal of experience with cannabis and can safely say that Spice/ Gold is nothing like as interesting, stimulating or pleasant as cannabis. Indeed, my cat reported that the debilitating effects of Spice did not wear off for several days, which was a source of considerable alarm to my cat given how he likes to jump onto walls and things. He also says the headache the next morning is worse than anything the alcohol hangover has to offer.

Furthermore, while he reported that the substance certainly works in the sense that it gets you stoned, it's not the sort of socially engaging, intellecutally stimulating high one achieves with cannabis; my cat was heard to remark that the stuff felt like dope in the true sense - it stupified you.

My cat was quite disappointed as Spice remains the only 'alternative' which actually produced any sort of intoxication whatsoever.