addictive research chemicals

[brown_thing]

[quote=Triple7;64620]during the last 4-5 months, SWIM has been taking



~800mg 4-aco-dipt

~340mg amt

~80mg 5-meo-mipt

~600mg 4-ho-dipt

~1200mg meopp

~10mg 5-meo-det (this one is bad)

~100mg methylone

did you get any flash backs like LSD style, SWIM used to go to a benedictine bording school and one of the 'hippy' monks got a flashback during church one sunday.
and also the only way SWIM could imagine getting addicted to RC's is because SWIM's vendor only does 1 gram of individual RC's and SWIM want's to try as many rc's as he can and that's a lot of doses that you have to take to get to the next rc.

[nanobrain]

with acute dosing, methylone has proven to have self and polydrug use reinforcing properties leading the gimps on a rampage of rather indiscriminate neuroreprogramming.

with a subacute regimen, addictive properties became manifest, leaving the gimps serotonin depleted and grumpy over the course of some following weeks.

[Triple7]

something else.. in my family, there were addicts.. myself, i do not
feel like addict because i could quit anything easily with free will
without withdrawal suffering or any other kind of suffering or
need.



there has been periods, where i drank alcohol every day for 12-18
months... and i built tolerance aswell. something i learnt, was not to
exagarate.. i try to drink as little as possible, for example never
drink more than 50cl vodka a night and somehow it works well for me.
usually i keep it at 30-40cl vodka and a few beers. As soon as I start
taking 75-100cl some evening, then my body builds tolerance and then i
will need same amounts to get drunk. the best way to lower tolerance is
to stay away from alcohol, usually i was without it for upto 6 months.



with chemicals, i hope this same trick could help.. but i know it wont do it in the same extension as alcohol.



so, what i know for me, is that i will never take more than 45mg
iprocin, because i don't get more effect.. and pherhaps i only build
stronger and faster tolerance the higher doses i take. my idea is that
there might be something in the body that learns to fight the foreign
substance (bacteria, virus, drugs).. and this is how we build tolerance.

[MadShroomer]

SWIM hasn't had any problems with RC's in the past, no more than 1 medium dose every week at the most. Recently, SWIM tried 4-aco-dmt alot more. (even went so far as to inject ~14mg i.v. INCREDIBLE) SWIM first experienced 20mg insuffilated and this was an incredible intense peak. the next 4 days or so SWIM repeated doseing, haveing to steadily increase dose to get same effects until day 5 when 20mg was injested, followed by another 15mg several hours later, followed by another 20mg several hours later.

SWIM has never had such heavy use of an RC except maby AMT wich SWIM tends to freebase several hits, daily until gone.

Even with P.Cubensis SWIM never did it more than once a week, thank goodness for Vitame C and its anti-oxidant effects.

[Mojo]

I can easily see how M1 could be psychologically addictive - it has a tremendous dopaminergic push (e.g., bigger, better, faster, more!). However, I believe that it has a definite ceiling effect (which appears to differ from test subject to test subject), and no matter how much you want to extend the experience, either by redosing or extended consecutive days of use, there comes a point where you just can't take it any farther. I think that significantly limits its potential for physiological addiction.

Most test subjects I know report only limited success w/ redosing, and require several days of rest between experiments in order to achieve a satisfactory experience. Nevertheless, that doesn't stop a lot of test subjects from exhausting their supply of M1 in a futile attempt to extend their experience. Dopamine is a harsh mistress.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Mojo

Most test subjects I know report only limited success w/ redosing, and require several days of rest between experiments in order to achieve a satisfactory experience. Nevertheless, that doesn't stop a lot of test subjects from exhausting their supply of M1 in a futile attempt to extend their experience. Dopamine is a harsh mistress.

Frankly, MDPV is even harsher. M1 is the "kinder/gentler" stimulant by far. MDPV is like the bastard with a whip you've got to obey or you get hurt. Then you obey and get hurt even worse. Finally, it's "Thank you sir may I have another... thank you sir, may I have another... thank you sir, may I have another..." and you wonder why you've come to enjoy feeling like shit nearly every waking moment. You vow never to touch MDPV again, then an hour or two after it wears off you find yourself eagerly using MDPV.

Naah, M1 ain't nothin... it's practically gentle enough to pass along to the kiddies.

[Mojo]

Interesting that you should bring up MDPV in relation to M1. They appear to be similar in many ways. I've heard that MDPV can be used instead of redosing to extend the M1 experience. Gotta watch the BP & heart rate though b/c they're both stims.

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by Triple7

during the last 4-5 months, i have been taking

~800mg 4-aco-dipt
~340mg amt
~80mg 5-meo-mipt
~600mg 4-ho-dipt
~1200mg meopp
~10mg 5-meo-det (this one is bad)
~100mg methylone

and i developed tolerance to all of those rc above except pherhaps 4-
aco-dipt. to amt and especially 5-meo-mipt i developed tolerance very
quick.

How often do you trip? These drugs all effect the same brain cell
repeptors
youi know...Edited by: radiometer

[TheLight01]

Well i dont think you can have a body addiction to rc's but in my case there is a strong erge of wanting to take it again cause i find it just like an exploration of your mind. There is so much to find out.


You dont need to go anywere but you can have the most intense, crazy, funny you name it experiences of your life with RC's and shrooms etc.


i'm eager to try them all

[Triple7]

Originally Posted by radiometer

How often do you trip? These drugs all effect the same brain cell

repeptors

youi know...

2-6 times a month. last time i took 80mg amt + 30mg iprocin + 20 mg
iprocetyl. it is especially against amt i am building tollerance. 80mg
today is weaker than my first 40mg amt experience... well, i don't wait
enough between the experiences.

[dr.red.evil]

in the past*5 months ive done


2ce-1000mgs


5meodmt 2250mgs


4hodet-250mgs


5meoamt 500mgs


4acodet-500mgs


dpt-1250 mgs


5meomipt 100mgs


2ct2- 300mgs
Edited by: nanobrain

[dr.red.evil]

sorry guys im* comeing down from 5meo

^^apparently, they are addictive...Edited by: nanobrain

[JewishNazi]

apparently, Ketamine is quite addictive. I think i read it on Erowid

[GDxCAT]

ketamine is in fact addictive (psychologically) but it is not an RC.

[JewishNazi]

ah, touche

[Triple7]

took 80 mg amt along with 30mg codeine and 500mg paracetamol and some
caffeine when i had headache. i don't know if it was resistance or the
headache pills. took me 2 hours to get stoned, when it normally take
30-40 minutes. +2h I took another 60 amg amt with the double dose
headache pills.. and didn't feel any boost.



anyway.. my friends asked.. "damn!! did you take more?????" all of them (sober ones) noticed immediately



then i drank some beer (5-6 cans).. and felt sick.. had to rest for 5
minutes on the lawn.. +7h felt exhausted.. went sleeping and did fell
asleep without trouble.. woke up few hours later and was still stoned..
the next 2 days i slept quite a lot. my eyes were not dillated for 18h
as they use to be with amt.. this time it was 14h... or 12h if we
consider my redosing.



now i know.. i wont go above 80mg amt and i will try to skip the
headache pills.. (aswell as with 4-aco-dipt i know not to go over 60mg
and for 4-ho-dipt not to go over 45mg.. feels like there is some kind
of saturation... and i think the feel of saturation develops quite a
lot tolerance.)



btw.. swim1 took 40 mg and was compleetly disoriented.. and swim2 took
60mg and was totally wasted too.. guess my pills are alright.. bought
them about 6 months ago.




Edited by: Triple7

[Triple7]

Originally Posted by GDxCAT

ketamine is in fact addictive (psychologically) but it is not an RC.

my first true trip was with ketamine.. it was so fun that i got scared of it and refused to take more (for a few years). I thought when it's that fun, I must stop.

[JewishNazi]

[QUOTE=Triple7]

Originally Posted by GDxCAT

I thought when it's that fun, I must stop.

Dont most people normally stop when they no longer get fun out of it?



I do understand, you realised you liked it too much, right?

[GDxCAT]

5 meo mipt always has me wanting to redose or up the dose.


something about the trip makes me a fiend.

[Pinkavvy]

lol ... shoot smack sometime.

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[Triple7]

[QUOTE=JewishNazi]

Originally Posted by Triple7

Dont most people normally stop when they no longer get fun out of it?



I do understand, you realised you liked it too much, right?

Yes, you are right.. it was overhelming fun and I was new to drugs..
and they guys just said it's "window".. I know today it was ketamine..
maybe something else too. No other drug experience has been as strong
as this one, even not when I took ketamine myself.. I guess I have to
try 5-meo-dmt, dmt or salvia to get close to this experience. This
window was snorted.

[Nagognog2]

Way back yonder in the early days of psychedelia, the question was posed as to why people were no longer having these wonderful trips like they used to. The first series of guesses had to do with the LSD no longer being pure enough to cause such. That the LSD had to be Sandoz, or at least Owsley, to bring about such pure euphoria as a part of the effect.


But this didn't wash - new users were raving about the euphoria of the trip regardless of the manufacture. Within reason. A new hypothesis was born: At first with LSD (or fill-in-the-blank) everything is new and shiny. So euphoria can come into the experience with nothing to block it. But after awhile you recognize the same patterns within yourself showing up. So your defense mechanisms key in. And this blocks the euphoria concombinant with the "newness" of the effects. This was widely accepted as being the case. So many folks quit using LSD who chiefly wanted the euphoria, while those willing to explore the "dark side" of the psyche persevered. Matter of taste and what one wanted from it I guess.


But what do we know...<gulp!>

[rxbandit]

Swim has recently noticed that he is slowly becoming pyschologically addicted to methylone. he has been dosing himself close to four times a week and gets a tightness in his chest and some anxiety when he goes awhile without it. swim used to only use this substance with his lady but has started using it on his own...

swim does not plan on ordering any more methylone but has noted how powerful his perception of the addiction is. swim has kicked; morphine, cocaine, DXM habits and this one looks to be difficult...

just something swim thought he'd share. hes suffered no other addictive rc's but notes that he thinks 2c-b is comfortable enough to possibly form a habit... that is if one had time to invest in such a habit.

[Nagognog2]

I thought we'd be hearing reports of this happening with M1. I just didn't know when.

The tightness in the chest may well be due to the anxiety, which in turn may be due to depleted serotonin. Though M1 hasn't been researched too well, we do know it operates by the same mechanisms as MDMA on serotonin. And has dopaminergic effects similar to the amphetamines.

So one who has managed to afford to overdo this can expect withdrawl similar to amphetamines, and anxiety and depression from the serotonin-depletion. From what has been seen so far, it should be of a moderate level. So SWIM is advised to try to ride it out and stay away from further use, as SWIM has stated is planned, and focus on eating a good diet with vitamins, getting proper sleep, and possibly taking some 5-HT - replacing supplements.

Do ask SWIM to keep us posted on the ride. These reports may be very valuble in the near future.

[snapper]

Hmm. SWIM knows that the same potential for addiction with MDMA lies in methylone. Good that it's cost limits its abuse.
1Benzylpiperazine was alluring, particularly when combined with a low dose of 5meodipt. SWIM was happy that ran out and became unavailable and destroyed all of the leftover BZP. No real value in that combo, though 5meodipt was interesting in its own bizarre way.
MDPV has strongly habituating properties, and in appropriate doses, would easily lend itself to daily use. No withdrawals noted to either BZP or 5meodipt, though use was very frequent, sometimes daily.
Kratom may be the next big monkey on people's backs though. Really lends itself to forming a habit and remaining functional.