Salvia Extract Orally

[wakamonke]

Swim recently went out and did a favor for a friend. Swims friend repaid said favor with 1/2 gram 10x salvia extract...Swim wants to try this but can only take it orally...Swim has also heard/ read up on first times and is nervous abou ttrying a higher dosages. is it safe to take 1/4 gram or should he try smaller?

[fnord]

orally?i dont think it would do anything,why not smoke it?

[Salvinorin A]

Try smaller.....like .1grams to start. Depending on SWIY's sensitivity, a quarter gram of 10X can be strong. As for orally, SWIM wouldn't recommend using 10X orally, it probably won't work.

Probably the whole half gram of 10X used orally wouldn't do much unless SWIY addeds some high proof alcohol to the mix, in which SWIY would hold it in SWIY's mouth for at least 20 min.

[Bajeda]

I don't think oral consumption works with salvia extract or leaf. Sublingual may be the way to go for swiy.

[Mint boi]

Swim presumes that by orally op is refering to subingually cos salvia is hardy worth the effort in the gi tract...

Not sure about how swiy would go about using an extract orally, without the unpleasentness of having a mouthfull of fine dry leaf matter or high proof alcohol in ones mouth for 20min. swim thinks he remembers someone saying they put salvia extract into a wad of chewing gum and chewed on it for a while... not really sure how well that would work, but since a salvia leaf quid works this might too...

as for dosage swim has no idea, presumably at least .2gram sublingually?
swim doesnt recomend trying the gum method unless someone can confirm it through experiance or logic because it could be complete waste!

as for swiy's fears about the effects at higher dosage, salvia is a very powerful plant, which swiy seems to be well aware of, but when taken with caution and respect its generally safe enough. also swim doesnt think sublingual use makes for as strong an experiance as smoking, perhaps a longer one though.

[johnny_socko]

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The only thing swim has heard about taking salvia orally is that the trip will last much longer. ( when correct/significant dose is taken ) Trips of up to 1 hour ! If SWIY has never used before, this could be a very bad idea. SWIM is thankful for the short term effects of smoking. The 1-5 super intense minutes seem like an hour anyhow.

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JS

[Mint boi]

swim is pretty sure that unless the dose is pretty high sublingual salvia trips would be signifigantly weaker than smoked. longer no doubt but swim is pretty sure it wouldnt be as strong

[Bajeda]

Unless you are smoking leaves, in which case they are fairly comparable. Its the smoked extract that induces a much stronger and more intense experience.

[johnny_socko]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Unless you are smoking leaves, in which case they are fairly comparable. Its the smoked extract that induces a much stronger and more intense experience.

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That is Gospel...

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JS

[Mint boi]

Unless you are smoking leaves, in which case they are fairly comparable. Its the smoked extract that induces a much stronger and more intense experience.

so you're saying sublingual absorbtion of leaves is comparabe to smoking them? cool!

we are talking bout 10x extract in this case though right?

[Salvinorin A]

Woah Woah Woah....let's get this straight.

Smoking salvia is a much more efficient way of absorbing Salvinorin-A compared to sublingual. SWIM thinkis this is because the body metabolizes it very quickly, and because sublingual is so slow, the experience is weaker.

Leaves might be comparable with oral use because leaves are already pretty weak for most people; however it really depends on the person, SWIM knows people that get intesnse trips off of oral use and just smoking leaves.

Smoking high extracts (for most people) will be way more intense than any sublingual trip. So for example, 10X....theoretically it should be 10 times the trip with leaves (too bad it aint true for all people).

Sal-A

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by mint boi

so you're saying sublingual absorbtion of leaves is comparabe to smoking them? cool!

we are talking bout 10x extract in this case though right?

No, I was talking about smoking leaves, as in completely unextracted. Any extract will be stronger than sublingual if it is smoked.

[Mint boi]

no sorry thats what swim meant! that swiy is saying sublingual unextracted leaves are the same as smoked unextracted leaves?

when swim says 10x he's refering to the opening post. sorry for the confusing post!

[Salvinorin A]

Originally Posted by mint boi

no sorry thats what swim meant! that swiy is saying sublingual unextracted leaves are the same as smoked unextracted leaves?

when swim says 10x he's refering to the opening post. sorry for the confusing post!

Hmmmm, it really depends on the person...but here is SWIM's experience...

When SWIM first got into salvia, he didn't want to smoke either, so he first tried the quid method with dried (unextracted) leaves, SWIM first soaked them in water. Well, after waiting about 26 min, the most he felt besides bitter taste was a really cold sensation running from his mouth down his neck, but that's about all. He also very mildly saw a pattern under his eye, but it was faint, and SWIM had to interpret that it was a pattern (it was that weak).

The first time SWIM smoked leaves, he felt a HUGE gravity pull, but no extreme effects. The second-8th time SWIM just had strange thoughts and a weird semi-heavy feeling. Except maybe SWIM's third time, he felt like rain drops were falling on the exposed parts of his skin. However, after a while these effects went away, and were no more powerful than the first time he tried it sublingually.

So SWIM would say they're maybe somewhat the same; however, this is coming from a hardhead, someone who is more sensitive to Salvinorin-A would probably have two completely differnet trip reports.

Sal-A.

[bcubed]

This interests SWIM, for three reasons:

1. As per "Ethics of sharing salvia," SWIM is, on occasion, in situations where smoking is complicated.
2. Though legal, smoking a bowl is often impractical in situations where an eyedropper of tincture might not be.
3. SWIM has happened to come into posession of about 1L of high-proof (180+) ethanol.

What SWIM is about to attempt:
1. Produce a Salvia tincture
2. Use smoked 10X to reach a plateau
3. Use judicious sublingual Salvia to prolong the plateau vs. derive effect from the tincture alone.

I'll update on my buddy's experiences. All SWIM needs now is max soluability of Salviorin A in alcohol (heard it drops w/ addition of water--SWIM cannot obtain ETOH any purer than 190 proof.) Also, SWIM has heard that Sal-A is much more fragile in solution and needs to be protected against UV and high temperatures. I'll UTFSE on those last two--I'm sure they're out there.

[Salvinorin A]

I'll save ya some time if it aint too late...

Sal-A is soluble in ethyl alcohol at 1.28mg/ml

And yes...depending on the solution, Salvinorin A can be very fragile in solution (especially acetone). As for alcohol in a tincture, SWIM would assume the same thing since most are sold in amber vials.

[SageDancer]

Swim tried out the quid method a few times and never got much out of it, however... Recently on another forum someone posted a post called "a pinch between the cheek and gum" about using a high extract, in just that manner and having good success. SWim pulled out his 6x (non-standardized) and dropped a pinch in and left it for 20 minutes or so. There was an effect, Nothing super strong, definately no trip, but an oddness. A higher level extract would do more, of course. As a disclaimer, swim is fairly sensitive.