long term storage

[dr ACE]

whats the best way to store rcs for a couple of months

[discobloodbath]

i'd imagine it be best to store them in something air tight and store in a place dark and cool..but its just a guess

[Alfa]

If you keep rc's,like Bee'sfor a several years, in what manner would they degrade? Would they only degrade in potency or would they go bad?

[Bodhisattva500]

I was wondering the same thing about some x i have.my brother(the pharmacist) says all drugs brake down eventually and naturally. They all have individiual temperatures that they should be stored at. if you look at prescription pill bottle thye usually have exp dates as well

[Tony Blair]

X? Wrong forum, but it you mean XTC, it will be good for
*thousands* of years. Seriously, its an uber-stable chemical..

Air tight and away from light and heat should be good for just a few
months. Longer than that and they might want a glass vial in the
freezer.

[blue jammer]

I noticed colour change in some 2-ci I had had for about 3 months, it had gone a more grey/dull colour..

Didn't alter the potency though, but as I say that was only 3 months

[gregus01]

i was curious if anyone knows the approximate shelf-life of the following:


2c-i


5meo-amt


4ho-dipt





Also, what's the best way of preserving these three RCs. Thanks for the input.

[cyalume]

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[mariecurie]

The good chemist would definitely go for the glass vial in the freezer,
although I know a lot of people who put the powder in an plastic tube
and toss it in the freezer as well.



I would recommend that whatever your storage vessel, put in the freezer behind those frozen dinners.

[amperfect]

it seems to me that tryptamines lose potency due to heat, light, and time. Each is only going to make it slightly lose potency, with the exception of extreme heat. room temperature seems adequate, but if u really dont want to lose potency, store them in the fridge or freezer. only problem with that is that it is not a good place to hide them if u are trying to hide them. Underground seems like the best idea to hide them for long term storage. This keeps the heat and temperature down. Or hidden inside would be a good idea if u live in a hot climate.

[amperfect]

You are going to lose about 2% potency per month unless u store the tryptamines in a cool, dark place. Its a gradual change, they still will work, just not as good as before. Room temperature should be adequate to minimize losses. Hope this helps. peace.

[Solidly-here]

Well, it won't last forever.


I do not know about all of the Research Chemicals, but I can tell you about 5-Meo-Dipt. I had some, stored at room temperature, for almost 2 years.


I took it a month or so ago. I did not notice any change in its potentcy. I took the same dose as always (still sitting inside its capsule).


A caveat: I wasn't thinking about it getting "OLD" ... so I may have missed the slight reduction of dosage.


But (thanks to reading other postings), I think I will store some of my stock in the freezer (I mean, it couldn't hurt, and it MIGHT help).Edited by: Dennis-The

[nanobrain]

just remember to let the frozen product reach room temp before opening the container or condensation will be manifest

[Dimitri]

What SWIM prefers is the following: Sometimes you get on Ebay small
plastic tubes (1,5-2ml) size, which close definitely airtight. Because
they are not as unflexible as glass is, you can easily freeze them.
They are also suitable for liquids & frozen liquids. Finally they
are really cheap, something like 0,01-0,10 Euro per piece depending on
the amount you order. Try searching for "eppendorf tubes" or "plastic
tubes" or something similar....or order from chemical equiment
suppliers.

[Dimitri]

Especially the 4-ho-dipt will get dark / greyish quite quickly, you
will see that in a couple of weeks. It will probably still work but
there are some oxidation processes going on and the substance is not
very stable, so you should take for especially that stuff. 5-meo-amt is
a bit more stable, but still not as stable as the PEAs are.

Will be difficult to find exact times...thatswhy it is called "research chemical" because nobody knows much about it

[prospero]

I've stored 4-ACO-DIPT (slightly different form of the same chemical I know) for about three years in the fridge with no loss of potency.

[nanobrain]

threads merged.

[asystole]

It couldn't hurt to store the samples in amber, or even cobalt bottles. Also, if you keep all of your samples in a stash box, throw a dessicant in with 'em. Humidity and light are quite mean to quite a few chemicals.

[Dimitri]

Originally Posted by prospero

I've stored 4-ACO-DIPT (slightly different form of the
same chemical I know) for about three years in the fridge with no loss
of potency.

As I heard the Aco version of this molecule is much more stable then the 4-ho-dipt, thats
at least what erowid says...(I hope I remember correctly with the
source of this information)

Edited by: Dimitri

[prospero]

I always presumed the Acetate or Phosphate esters were more stable too, though I'm not sure it applies to all of the 4-Hydroxylated Tryptamines. 4-HO-DMT (psilocin) is definitely a lot less stable than 4-Phosphoryloxy-DMT (psilocybin). However reports I've read on other forums seem to indicate that 4-HO-MIPT isMORE stable than4-ACO-MIPT. What confuses the issue even further is that some of these chems change consistently dramatically with age, butdon't seem to lose potency. For example4-ACO-DET turns from a cream powder to a black goo very quickly but, as reported on Erowid, the black goo seems to be just as potent.Very confusing!!

[paradies]

The number one thing that will alter a chemical is oxidation. Oxidation is the enemy! This happens fastest in the presense heat and light and air (oxygen really). Of course, any chlorine coming into contact with a chemical subject to oxidation would kill it too.


So, simply put ---&gt; airtight, colored glass (or airtight clear plastic inside a paper sleave) and freezing temps will be the best combination. The darker, colder and more air-free the environment the better.


Also, any Acetate or Phosphate analogue of a Hydroxy chemical, will definitely be more stable. Acetates should be the least likely to oxidise under normal atmospheric conditions...meaning the various weather conditions we all live in.


4-ACE-DET changing from a cream powder to a black goo would be because of heat and/or moisture. If it doesn't lose any potency, it means it changed from a dry powder to a liquid state without any loss of the chemical structure. Many things turn a different color when they go from one chemical state into another.


Sasha has written he's had some stuff in jars at room temps. for over a decade and there was no problem. Some stuff will last and last and last. To be sure though, in general, tryptamines will be a bit more delicate than phenethylamines and most amphetamines.

[drwoo]

Correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't salts more stable than freebase?

[paradies]

Originally Posted by drwoo

Correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't salts more stable than freebase?

Yes, they will be more stable. You normally change a "salt" (salts are actually classified as "metals" in chemistry) into the HCL form (freebase) in order to make it very easily assimilated by the body...most commonly in ordermake it workwhen yousmoke it.


Freebase things are really to be consumed in the near term. They aren't meant to be something you store for a long time.

[prospero]

Not sure that's right. The HCl form can't be the freebase otherwise why would people convert DPT HCl into DPT freebase in order to smoke it. Or Cocaine HCl into Cocaine freebase (crack), also in order to smoke it.