Other - The Combined "Cocaine as a way of".... Threads

[student_is_here]

so theres this guy, (genuinly not me) who tells me he's not happy, that he needs to find a way to "change himeself".
Anyway, he thinks cocaine is a good plan. He wants confidence, and to alter his personality, he's quite depressed.

I was telling him amphetamines might be better for this, not that im fully reccomending the use of narcotics for this type of thing.

what are your opinions?

[Bajeda]

I would tell this fellow that if he is under-confident and feeling depressed, cocaine is a drug he should most certainly avoid!

It only gives you temporary confidence, and many find that to even be lacking. Worse yet, after the high is over you have a nasty come-down to deal with (the better the high the worse the come-down) that would be even worse for your friend's confidence and depression problems.

If someone is in a weakened state and having trouble mentally or emotionally, as the guy you are talking about seems to be, they are at higher risk for developing a problem with addiction. It seems that people who have a reason for using cocaine, whether its escape, to get confidence, to help socialize, etc., are more prone to binging on it and having problems in the end.


Drugs can't solve your friend's problem just by being consumed. He needs to find the root causes of his troubles, and attempt to deal with those directly rather than looking for a superficial temporary solution that could easily end up making his situation much worse. Maybe a psychedelic or MDMA could be useful for the guy to seek out and identify his true problems, so that he may deal with them, though psychedelics can be very hard on a troubled soul, and if the guy isn't prepared for them it could be a terrible trip. MDMA may be something to look into, but only if the guy is prepared to truly make an effort to deal with the things in his life that are troubling him. If he only wants to find a quick fix solution, I'd warn him to stay away from drugs as a cure-all for his problems, ESPECIALLY addictive substances, such as cocaine.

[podge]

Terrible idea. This seems like a recipe for addiction......person with low self esteem uses cocaine to become a more out going socialable person.....for someone in your friends position this has a high chance of becoming a problem. Drugs cant really be used alter a personality....they should be used to compliment one's personality. Tell your friend that he needs to go out and become more socialable without the aid of drugs. Because using drugs as a crutch will more than likely lead to serious problems.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by student_is_here

so theres this guy, (genuinly not me) who tells me he's not happy, that he needs to find a way to "change himeself".
Anyway, he thinks cocaine is a good plan. He wants confidence, and to alter his personality, he's quite depressed.

I was telling him amphetamines might be better for this, not that im fully reccomending the use of narcotics for this type of thing.

what are your opinions?

That's a very bad plan! Cocaine can change people's personailty, but never for the better! As for amphetamines, possibly even worse, as they are stronger. The crash from stimulants is very depressing.

[pankreeas]

I dunno about that... swim was the shyest, furthest from outgoing individual until the magical yay fairy came into his life. Now he has a completely different outlook on life. Looking down the path of life and seeing nothing but depression and fear is no way to go about your short time on this planet. If the drug suits the lifestyle then by all means.. And no don't take this as a green light for your friend. I'm just offering a lighter shade of red than all the other answers you will most likely get.

[darawk]

Definitely an extremely bad idea.

[Heretic.Ape.]

Tell your friend to look into behavioral therapy, ACT therapy may be good as it's proven effective for dealing with depression and anxiety. Metaanalyses have shown behavioral therapy to me more effective than pharmaceuticals. Coke is expensive, short working, and varies in its effects (not to mention very psychologically addictive for many) so it would be a poor way to treat a long standing issue. Therapy, therapy, therapy! Mood enhancement with drugs works best when an individual is coming from a baseline of healthy, happy living. Otherwise the cumulitive hedonic value is lower, dependency and addiction are highly likely, and you'll be more prone to having a bad time on the drug because the underlying problem only builds, gaining strength from repression.

[pankreeas]

Today swim was out drinking with a new friend. With all the contempt swim has for society he will never open the trust drawbridge even a little without first seeing how true said friend is. Today an 8-ball was bought by swim with the intent of sharing. Only a wee bit of coa was consumed, then swim split his stash into a few bags, and placed one carefully on the ground partially opened with a bit of powder emerging from the bag. Bathroom is one person only and swim knew said friend would be coming in next to do the one that swim left out for him. Theres no possible way anyone could have missed that flourescent pink baggie, so swim figures it would be gone. As friend left swim asked to go back in saying shit I "think" I lost a bag (as to leave room for friend to still come clean).
Upon inspection, no baggie, and no mention of taking the bag. Yah it's shitty, but it's better than waking up to have your place robbed when said friend stays over after a night at the bar. It's also pretty shitty that even though nothing like that's ever happened to swim, he still has such contempt. SO I guess what i'm getting at: is this too strong of a way to test a friendship? would you have taken it?

[enquirewithin]

Honestly, what did SWIY expect?

[fnord]

swim wouldent and wouldent ever expect his friends to even think about,maybe you need to find more honest friends?

[Beltane]

In real life SWIM associates with almost no drug users. The few he can think of that he would have called friends would have given the bag back without question.

Throught rehab and ganeral association with people who take their drug use seriously, SWIM has a low opinion of drug users in real life.

- Beltane

[pankreeas]

Originally Posted by Beltane

Throught rehab and ganeral association with people who take their drug use seriously, SWIM has a low opinion of drug users in real life.

- Beltane

maybe It's because most users aren't in real life? They are in life in fantasy world in which they just use without doing any sort of research. It's funny because it's what most of their money goes to as well... there should be 2 rehab options.. if you need to be there.

1./ One in which they teach you how to live sober
2./ Another where they teach you how to manage your addiction.

Swim too has a low opinion of drug users. Hence the reason for testing the subject.

[Nacumen]

Unfortunately SWIM dislikes most of the drug users he knows. Even some of the users he's best acquainted with have fucked him over more than once (when they stupidly believed that SWIM wouldn't find out.) Sometimes it's just small things, like lying about the original price of a drug, or taking some extra substance without thinking SWIM will know. Sometimes it is good that these kinds of things happen so that SWIM knows not to trust these people with anything more important later on.

[KomodoMK]

I learned after a year or two that drugs, especially cocaine, leads to people becoming two faced liars who care more about the drug(s) than the friendship(s) and also very greedy. SWIM only knows of one friend who has kept his loyalty throughout this time. So sad to be honest, but that's life I guess.

[beena]

SWIM has been a crack user for six years and yet SWIM can honestly say that she would never take off another friend. SWIM has no criminal record and has never broken the law or stolen off a friend to get high. SWIM has had it done plenty of times to her though. Of course, being an addict means SWIM has severely tested friendships at times (borrowed money, let people down, etc) but SWIM likes to think she still has some basic morals and invisible lines that won't be crossed.
So, no SWIM doesn't think this is too strong a test of SWIY's friendship(s). Just because cola is involved doesn't give a person the right to behave like a prick and disrespect a friend/friend's house. This friend obviously ain't a friend - ditch him. Meanwhile, please don't think all us addicts are scum, or for that matter that all society needs to be treated with contempt (er . . . just about 97% does . . . I think).

[zera]

People will behave the same way with girls. I gurantee you that many guys if they get alone with their friends drunken hot girlfriend and she starts coming on to him, arent going to say no. You see this behaviour with underage high school kids who dont have access to alcohol or much money to buy it, theyre notorious for stealing liquor from parties. It has nothing to do with cocaine intrinsically, its simply human nature, when we see something that we want its very difficult to resist the urge to take it.

[pankreeas]

Thanks for all the replies to this one guys n gals. I'm glad to hear your input. Keep it comin!

[Bajeda]

Some of the people swim hangs out with, he wouldn't try to do something like this.

Swim's actual good friends, whether they use drugs or not, he would trust to leave alone with the bag and thinks they would have the same trust in him.

I don't think actual friends would do something like that to another friend, unless they were in the depths of a deep cocaine addiction, in which case they need some help. Even if they are frequent coke users, cravings don't excuse such unethical and uncaring behaviour.

[Mr.E.Charlie]

Honestly , SWIM would have taken the bag , too =( .
SWIM has little willpower when cocaine is in the matter and a lost baggie like this would be impossible to leave .

[Beltane]

SWIM has finally come to the concusion that junkies and serious drug users don't make good friends. They're not to be trusted and one shouldn't turn their back on them. Still, there are a few exceptos. SWIM' even met one or two.

- Beltane

[pankreeas]

Originally Posted by Beltane

SWIM has finally come to the concusion tha junkie abd serus druf usaer c? e a goos type os friwnd. That saidM with ver few acceptions he's come to the undserstanding that rhey'rnot to be trustes nd he soesn't turb his back on them. Still, there are a few exceptos just as I, sure there: I've even met one or two.

- Beltane

who in the what now???

[Beltane]

Sorry. Typing on my PDA in a hurry.

- Beltane

[The_Secret_Life]

The world is full of predators, voltures, creatins, scumbags and other useless maggots. SWIM luckily has a strong sense of intuition, which he needs to listen to more, maybe one of the few benefits of pisces. SWIM can usually get a good read on new people. SWIM has only a small circle of friends, only a few are at most pot and mushroom users.

SWIM wouldn't have touched it, even if he didn't like you.

SWIM got stuck holding an oz of high caliber weed when the buyer backed out. He smokes very little. Gave some to his roommate free. SWIM comes home yesterday finds bag is significantly lighter. SWIMS intuition didn't catch that potential. Although it could have been her pothead boyfriend, who swim found sketchy.

SWIM is reminded to protect his stuff.

[Wombat]

SWIM has used coke on and off for about 10 months. SWIM was having issues with depression before he started. At first it was good and SWIM met a few new people through usage who appeared to be fun and he thought he could have long friendships with. Things appeared to be a lot better. Now SWIM looks back and wishes he hadn't started. These people aren't to be trusted and are mostly not around. The coke crashes are bad (SWIM had a supply of benzos initially which made them ok) and make him more depressed. SWIM has spent $$$$ had had some great times and some f****ing rotten ones.

Coke is a solution to nothing. Don't do it. I crave it every day and I think it may be worse down the track.